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April 25, 2023

Cheese Flavored Flavor Coffee + History of Cheese

Cheese Flavored Flavor Coffee + History of Cheese
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This week’s episode is all about words that should never go together: coffee + cheese flavored. When we first started, cheese flavored coffee was suggested to us by our friend and owner of Ten Drops Coffee. So we had to buy it but Jenni hid it away while Steph and Marcus forgot about it. Then Jenni learned a crazy fact that she had to share with the world and decided to get the cheese flavored coffee out of hiding.In this episode, we learn about the history of cheese, interesting facts about rennet, and a little bit about Iceland. We then try this cheese flavored coffee from ZooScape LLC, the proud distributor of over 7,500 weird ass food products. Cheese Flavored Guatemalan Coffee: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Larissa-Veronica-Cheese-Flavored-Brazilian-Coffee-Cheese-Flavored-Whole-Coffee-Beans-4-oz-1-Pack-Zin-548974/548460566ZooScape LLC: https://www.zooscape.com/index.htm Ten Drops Coffee: https://tendropscoffee.com/-Buy a mystery box of past products that we have tried on the podcast! For $10 you will receive 10 cups worth of coffee. Includes shipping! Limited supplies, buy here: https://www.paypal.com/instantcommerce/checkout/YUHJNDHDX2CTEHelp us buy questionable coffee!https://www.patreon.com/nobadreviewspodhttps://www.buymeacoffee.com/nobadreviewspod
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This is a podcast where three friends, co-workers and coffee industry 8 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:17,040 professionals get together every other week and tell you about something sometimes related to 9 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:24,000 coffee, sometimes completely not related to coffee. Or so it seems, like in today's episode, 10 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:31,200 two things that should not go together, coffee and something else. But somehow, here we are. 11 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,880 I'm Jenny and I run the operations at a coffee company called Modest Coffee. I am here to tell 12 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:43,520 you things because that somehow qualifies me as an expert. Would you consider yourself the big cheese? 13 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:55,440 I'm the big cheese at my coffee company. That's a hint. Hi, I'm Marcus and I'm a cheesy guy. That's 14 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:04,720 true. I roast coffee at Modest Coffee and I just got back from Milwaukee. Also the state of cheese. 15 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:10,000 The state of cheese. And you're not doing your Milwaukee accent. You know, we can address that 16 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:18,480 later during the tasting, you know, if you want to. Marcus picked up Wisconsin when he was in 17 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:26,480 Wisconsin. I did. I learned how to speak the local language. He learned the dialect. You know, 18 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:37,040 we can talk about it. I'm Stephanie. I'm the employee of the month at Modest Coffee for 49 19 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:45,040 consecutive months. We'll do snap claps. Actually, I heard that recently. That works. Snap claps. 20 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,880 You want to try? That's congratulations stuff. You made it. Every time I do that in the microphone, 21 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,160 you yell at me. Well, don't do it into the microphone. You have to do it away from the 22 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,920 microphone or do it with a busted thumb. Look at Marcus faking. He's like totally faking. What is 23 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:07,840 it when... aww, that almost sounded like your right hand was snapping. You know what, you'll get it. 24 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:13,040 You know what, all things in time, Marcus. You'll get it. Not worried about it. Recording on a 25 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Tuesday. I mean, so yeah. Yeah, everything's weird. So we're recording today because Marcus 26 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,800 went to Wisconsin last weekend for demos and he's going to Wisconsin again this weekend for demos. 27 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,840 I call them tastings. I feel like their tastings are a little classier. Yeah, coffee tasting. Sure. 28 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,520 And good old Milwaukee area. Sendex, if you are somebody who is in Wisconsin 29 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:40,160 listening, go to your local Sendex. You might see Marcus this past weekend by the time this airs. 30 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:48,160 That I met and gave you the card. Hi. Oh, were you passing out cards at the tastings? I did. And I 31 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:54,560 had one taker. So if you're listening, just know that I know that you're listening. That's cool. 32 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Good idea. I love Wisconsin so much. We don't have to talk about Wisconsin, but I love it there. 33 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:10,320 You know, I did experience a magical site. I think I call it paradise. I experienced paradise. 34 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,160 Good. It's in the Midwest and it's right near Econimal Walk. 35 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,160 That's a really fun word to listen to. I can't say it. I'm sure it's fun to say too, though. 36 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Yeah, I went to Okachee Lake. That's where there's a lot of great food. 37 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,280 I'm surprised that they talk like that there because it's not even that far north. Like, 38 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:38,720 you associate that accent more northern. Minnesota. Oh man, like the UP of Michigan. 39 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,760 Well, see, that's a different accent. So Minnesota is more subdued. It's a little more like, oh, 40 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:51,120 oh, Minnesota. You know, that sort of, not like the heavier, thicker, like, I can't, not, see, 41 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,720 now I can't switch between those two dialogues. Milwaukee's a little more through your nose 42 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,560 than Minnesota. Yeah. It's a little more pronounced and excited. You know, people get really into it. 43 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,120 The words that they're saying, you know. I just want to say that when I was studying 44 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:13,200 anthropology in school, linguistics and like the migration of language patterns is super 45 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,280 fucking fascinating. I don't know if it's fascinating to anybody else, but I am like 46 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,800 going crazy about it. Yeah, no, I just. In my mind. And I'm like, okay, and like, 47 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,800 where did those accents come from? Because it's definitely, as you get closer to Canada, 48 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:32,320 you know, like there's this blending of languages and then also like politeness, 49 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,200 you know? Oh God. And the people up there, so nice, right? So I feel like I really found like the 50 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:44,640 heartland of like Milwaukee suburbs. It's Ocana, Milwaukee. Is that right? Is that a suburb though? 51 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Yeah, it's a Western suburb of Milwaukee, considered, right? And because things out 52 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,640 there are just much more spread out. It's just rural. It's rough though, I thought. Right. No, 53 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,440 see, that's all touristy area over there. So it's it's it is. It's like it's a suburb. It's 54 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,880 suburban. It's basically where we live. Marcus was telling me that in Wisconsin, 55 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,400 people don't like people from Illinois. Oh, that's correct. Yeah. I mean, all of the states around 56 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:13,360 us, they hate us. And I think more specifically Chicago, but that's fine. And so Marcus was 57 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:20,160 told me that what he would say to them is like, well, I'm from Illinois, but I'm a Packers fan. 58 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,480 And they loved it. Oh, my God. I lied to people all weekend. I'm sure they knew you were joking. 59 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,440 They were so, you know, there was but it was like a great icebreaker. Yeah, because like I didn't 60 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:37,280 do that at first. And people were like, get out of here. But as soon as I told them I was a Packers 61 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:40,400 fan, and I was like, that's why they let me in here. That's why they even put my coffee on the 62 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:49,760 shelf. We should put a little Packers sticker on our bags. Special green and gold labels for 63 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,960 the Wisconsin store. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't really give a shit about football at all. I mean, 64 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,720 I'll be a Packers fan. I don't give a shit. I don't care about football either. So I'm like, 65 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,040 sure Packers. Great. Go Packers. I'm going to do that for every state I demo in. I'm going to look 66 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,160 at the local. You say go Pack go. Go Pack go? Yeah, that's how you say it in Wisconsin. Oh, okay. See, 67 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:17,680 there you go. Go Pack. Go Pack go. There you go. There you go. And then I'll find it's Cleveland 68 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,720 Browns, right? So when I go to Ohio next, I'll do that. This is going to be my thing. I'm just going 69 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:29,360 to tour the suburbs of every major metropolitan area that we start selling our coffee in. Cool. 70 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,720 You should get some t-shirts. Yeah. Packers t-shirt, Cleveland Browns t-shirt. Sweet. Like really. 71 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,360 This is great. Just get a little Pelpen. You don't got to go all in with a t-shirt. A little Pelpen. 72 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,960 Anyways, I feel like it's okay for us to talk about Wisconsin this much and be sidetracked 73 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,200 this much in this episode because Wisconsin is like the Midwest center of cheese. Yeah. 74 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:58,320 So like it's all on topic. The Mecca mozzarella. So anyways, I was hoping that I could say like, 75 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,920 hey, let's go to Milwaukee this weekend with Marcus, but I can't. I actually, I can't. Anyways, 76 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:10,240 we're going to plan a company trip to Milwaukee. Also, company trip I wish we were taking right 77 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:17,760 now was to the SEA Expo in Portland right now. We need to be better about our planning for things 78 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:24,080 like this. Next year it's in Chicago. So we will pay for our employees to take a trip to Chicago. 79 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,040 Awesome. Actually, that'd be really fun. We'll buy tickets for ourselves this year. Although we 80 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,440 might be able to score some free tickets. Yeah. I think we're going to get a booth. You want to get 81 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,520 a booth this year? I don't want to work it. I want to have fun. No. Yeah. Ours will be the fun booth. 82 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,200 We're not going to work it. We're just going to have couches. You'll have your employee work it. 83 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,080 Free trip to the SEA and you have to work the booth. No. We're going to have a little, like, 84 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,280 we're going to make a little living room chill area for us and we'll have like a little coffee 85 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:57,840 like this, a Technivorm and just like VIP only. That would actually be really cute. People would 86 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,400 be like, what the fuck is going on? It would be like the most, it would be the best booth. 87 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:10,800 We could just get like a velvet rope. What is this coffee about today, Jenny? Oh man. Okay. So 88 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:18,720 over a year ago when we first started this and we announced our little fun hobby to the world, 89 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:26,720 a friend of ours named Chris, he is one of the owners of Ten Drops Coffee in Plainfield, Illinois. 90 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:32,480 Chris is super into coffee, really into specialty coffee. He's into like, he nerds out about coffee. 91 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:38,400 And if you're interested in nerding out about coffee too, like he puts really long detailed 92 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:44,400 descriptions about coffee and thoughts about coffee on their Ten Drops Facebook page. And I 93 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,400 think that it's really cool for, it's just really interesting because he goes like deep in his 94 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,560 posts. He's philosophical. Very philosophical. It's cool. So if you're interested in learning 95 00:09:54,560 --> 00:10:00,960 more about specialty coffee and more about origins, definitely go to the Ten Drops Coffee 96 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:07,600 Facebook page. And if you're local in the Chicago area, even if you're not in the far as Western 97 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:14,000 suburbs, swing by, go out to Ten Drops. They're super nice. Isn't he on a, isn't he like in the 98 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,040 coffee forum too involved? Well, that's like the coffee roasters forum. Oh yeah. Probably most 99 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,040 people listening are not gonna, are not coffee roasters, but yeah, he's, I think he even might 100 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:30,240 be an admin of that page. Yeah. Yeah. He is super into coffee, him and Aaron. And then I think those 101 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,680 are, they're like the two main people. I know Margaret, Chris's wife, they want to say. Yeah. 102 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:40,240 I thought that there was more people, but Chris and Aaron are like the two coffee guys. Yeah. 103 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Is Ten Drops also a cafe or just a little story? Yeah, it's just a cafe. It's a cafe. It's mostly 104 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,480 a cafe. Their cafe is awesome. Yeah. It's a, yeah, they just expanded it. Well, a couple of years 105 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,120 back, I guess now, but it's awesome. Great. Exposed brick, beautiful. And they care about the coffee 106 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:01,040 they make. Really deeply care about what they're doing. That's great. Which is not common at all. 107 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:08,000 As we have learned over the past year. Especially out in the suburbs, there are not a lot of people 108 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:15,200 who deeply care about what they're doing like they do. And so Chris, funny guy that he is, 109 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:22,800 sent us a link to cheese flavored coffee. Cheese flavored. I thought that was trail mix. 110 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:29,280 Yeah. So this coffee is hungry and I'm really not as excited. I'll just talk about this coffee, 111 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,880 just a smidge really quickly. And then we can talk about it more when we do the tasting, 112 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:38,480 but it's called cheese flavored Guatemalan coffee. Right? Is that dried cheese in there? 113 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,440 No, it's what I thought too. No, it's not. It's way weirder than that. It's so weird. Okay. 114 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:49,840 Our cheese flavored Guatemalan coffee is a naturally flavored, sweet and rich Guatemalan coffee 115 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:57,280 with what you're seeing, what you're talking about, jasmine. Those are jasmine buds, flower buds. 116 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,640 What the fuck? First of all, jasmine flower buds mixed in with coffee. Okay. Okay. So I'm putting 117 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,840 a pic, I took a picture of this to put on our Instagram. There's going to be a picture of that 118 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,240 because it looks super weird. You will enjoy the unique cheese flavored flavor. 119 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Okay. It actually says it like that? Yes. The cheese flavored flavor blended with the medium 120 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:24,960 to full body, medium to full body. It's not one or the other. It's a range. Full bodied 121 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,720 Guatemalan coffee taste with an exclamation point. Ingredients, Guatemalan coffee, whole coffee beans, 122 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:37,440 wish there had been a ground option. Okay. Jasmine, actual jasmine flowers and natural 123 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:45,040 jasmine flavored flavor. Cheese flavored flavor. Cheese flavored flavor. Ah, okay. 124 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:50,400 I don't know what that means. It's delicious. What does jasmine taste like? I don't know that 125 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:56,560 I've had anything flavored with jasmine before. Jasmine is that floral, it's pretty common in 126 00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:03,840 coffee. So I could see that being a good one. A very pure, clean, crisp, floral smell. It will 127 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,120 taste like soap. Is that what you're saying? Is it going to be like the lavender or? Some people say 128 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:15,440 lavender tastes like soap. So it's not like that. I say that. Yeah. It's more of like maybe a 129 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:23,280 fruitier flower. Okay. Now I looked it up. Jasmine tea is not jasmine. Okay. It's just like rice. 130 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,040 But jasmine tea actually, if you've never had jasmine pearl tea, it's really pretty. Oh, there's 131 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:36,080 some at work. It opens up and it has these little buds that open. And if you have just the regular 132 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:42,800 pearls, you put them in a clear teapot. They look really beautiful. But it's just a jasmine tea. It 133 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:50,880 just says it's a perfumey hand rolled tea from China. Yeah. Perfume. That's a good one. But it's 134 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:57,600 not perfumed. It's just perfumey. It's like a sweet flower. But this has actual jasmine flowers in it. 135 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:03,360 Yeah. But that tea does not. All right. Let me smoke. All I'm saying is that it's fucking weird 136 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,320 that there's flowers in this coffee. Okay. And I think it's fucking weird that it's cheese 137 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:16,320 flavored flavor. So thanks so much, Chris, for doing this to us. So luckily, I mean, I bought this 138 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:23,920 a year ago and luckily it's good through January 2024. So we're still... Sweet. It has a two year 139 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,880 date. The flowers keep it. We're fine. You can procrastinate this another year if you feel like 140 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:34,800 you can't handle it. We're just aging it. The strange thing is, is this says four ounces, 141 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,200 but I'm pretty sure this is eight ounces of coffee. This is not four ounces. It looks like way more 142 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:44,080 than four. Definitely not a five. So everything is fucking weird about this because it's just... 143 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Drugs? Was this used to smuggle drugs into the country? Anything's possible. I mean... 144 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:56,560 It's like super floral smelling, super dark roasted coffee to cover up a smell for Guatemala. 145 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,160 Yeah. So we're getting... Are we... Is this fake? 146 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,400 Are you saying we're getting high today? No. I'm like, was this used to import 147 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:09,120 smuggle drugs in? You know what else is weird is it has a lot of strange pictures of other things 148 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:16,400 on this bag. There's a picture of dried apricots, pistachios, hazelnuts, pumpkin seeds. What the 149 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:21,760 fuck? In like weird little white bags. It's like a fake label. It's at first glance, 150 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,760 you look at it, okay, passes an inspection. Just good enough. Do they make a lot of products and 151 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,040 they just use the same label? Yeah. Tell us about this company. 152 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,480 This company, I looked into them. The parent company is called the ZooScape Corporation. 153 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:43,920 It's funny because it says it's distributed by the ZooScape Corporation. Like ZOO? Like zoo, 154 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:50,880 like animal zoo. What does that even mean? They're trafficking something. This is going to be 155 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:57,520 a dark episode. I don't know. As far as I could tell, the darkest I could find is that the wife 156 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:04,800 follows a bunch of Trump style politicians in Canada. Okay. It's a Canadian company. 157 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:10,080 It's a Canadian company. So I don't know what's going on with this company. I did my best, but 158 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,080 like there's just not a lot of information out there. It reminds me a lot of Hula Girl. 159 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Like how there is really hard to get to the information, but it was this website that was 160 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,080 full of like a million and one. It's like, it was like, so the company was founded, 161 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:32,160 ZooScape was founded in I think 1998. The owner is Kerry James Heather. His wife is Simona Heather. 162 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:39,040 He's the CEO. He also founded the company way back in the nineties. So ZooScape was first 163 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:45,120 first founded as just like a private company. And then 10 years later they reincorporated and 164 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:52,320 now he's the CEO. This company, it's called Larissa Veronica. That's the name of the coffee company. 165 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,760 Let me just double check this really quickly. So it's like ZooScape, like the distributor? 166 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,760 Well, it says ZooScape is the distributor of it, but I'm pretty sure that this address is the 167 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:10,880 exact same address. Larissa Veronica. Yeah. So the address of Larissa Veronica is the same address 168 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:16,000 as ZooScape. And the ZooScape address is actually a PO box in Wilmington, Delaware, 169 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:22,080 which we all know like Delaware is like the place to incorporate. But their corporate 170 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:28,960 headquarters is in their house in Ontario, Canada, which actually happens to be a big fucking fancy 171 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:36,560 house. 8,400 square feet. Whoa. Sold for $1.4 million 10 years ago. Wow. And then they have 172 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:42,240 like some other corporations also listed to their names. The Heather Project, I don't know what that 173 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,640 is. I couldn't find anything about it, but it's still incorporated in Canada. And then yeah, 174 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:52,480 there's very little information. I was able to find out that Kerry James Heather, he got a degree 175 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:58,960 in physics and psychology. So he's kind of a smart guy. 1989. So that probably means he was born like 176 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:04,960 1970. And in high school, he was kind of an artsy kid. He was into the drama club. He was into the 177 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,760 yearbook newspaper. He was in the jazz band. It's interesting that you could find out stuff about 178 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,840 how did you do articles or did you stalk him? I went on his LinkedIn. 179 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,440 And he had like a lot of information about himself listed, but he hasn't logged in in like seven 180 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:25,680 years. Oh, good. So you're not worried about. Yeah. So I'm assuming they're probably a little 181 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:33,760 anti-vax, anti-Trudeau, that type of... We know the type. We got plenty of them here in America. 182 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,480 So they're like the Canadian version of that. So they're that, but probably nicer about it. 183 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:44,000 But here's the thing. So it's like a food distribution company. It's also one of those 184 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:51,280 weird old websites from the 90s almost. Maybe it was updated in like 2006 when they switched over. 185 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,080 This kind of feels a little shady again. It feels very shady. The whole thing is very strange. 186 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:06,080 My shade alarm bells are going off again. But basically all it says is they primarily 187 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:11,680 specialize in health and beauty, but they're now in other areas like home decor and gifts and games 188 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,840 and things like that. I'm in the import export business. Yeah. But their whole thing is like 189 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:23,600 to have weird ass shit. So like cheese flavored coffee. This is like their philosophy. So they 190 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,720 basically, they may can distribute over 7,500 products. So that's a lot of fucking products. 191 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,120 And basically we are convinced that you will discover some one of a kind treasures for your 192 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:39,120 home, your lifestyle at work or at play, rather than saturate the marketplace with many all too 193 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:44,640 familiar and uninspiring products. We source out manufacturers who can convince us that they have 194 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:53,520 something very special to offer you. Amazing. Like cheese flavored flavor coffee. And if you go on 195 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:59,840 their website, zooscape.com, they got some fucking weird ass coffee flavors. Oh, so they have a 196 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:04,400 variety of coffee. They're not just focused on the cheese flavor. Oh yeah. Like for example, 197 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:11,920 just under the seas, they have Cabernet Sauvignon coffee, carrot coffee. What? Yeah. Chocolate 198 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:19,680 black cherry coffee. That could be okay. Cinnamon, pimento. Interesting. These are some flavors I've 199 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:26,560 never heard of before. Would you ever even consider cinnamon, pimento and coffee as three? It's like, 200 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,720 you know what it feels like? It feels like they have three fish balls with a bunch of fucking words 201 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,320 on them and they just like grab from each. Right. Or they're like, let me just grab from two or 202 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:42,560 whatever. And they're like, all right, let's make it. One of them actually picked flavor and flavored 203 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,200 and the other one was like, no, don't put one back. We'll just go with cheese flavored flavor. 204 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,480 It's fine. I imagine that as a, as a like translation error, right? Where somebody was 205 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,600 printing the label and they got this like cumin and then cheese flavored, but they were all flavors. 206 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,760 Right. So it's like cumin flavor, cheese flavored flavor, you know, ranch flavor, you know, so. But 207 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:09,280 no, native English speakers. Right. So Ontario is not the French one, right? Yeah. I think that they 208 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:14,960 do. Well, French is actually a second language for Canada. So maybe these are native French speakers, 209 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,880 French Canadians. But they're importing it. So they could be getting this literally. Are they importing it? 210 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,240 I don't know. They said they seek out manufacturers, right? So they could be literally, if they're in 211 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,960 the import export business, they could be getting this from anywhere. So they're not the ones making 212 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,320 the label you're saying. Right. You don't think so? I think they're making the label. I, I, you know 213 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,680 what? I can't understand what's going on with them at all. I mean, jalapeno coffee, they got that. 214 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,000 Well, like when we were going to export, you know, we don't necessarily need to go in to believe this 215 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,520 in the episode, but when we were going to export to Canada or to China, they wanted us as the 216 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:54,000 manufacturer to translate the label to their specs. So if they had told me to put on distributed by 217 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,640 Guangzhou, you know, yeah, thing, if they told me to put that on label, I would have done that. 218 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:04,160 Okay. To sell it. So you're thinking the labels were made in China and wherever or wherever this 219 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,880 coffee comes from, Guatemala. Right. Possible. It's possible. This is what I think, because all 220 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:15,120 their coffee labels have the same label. What I think is that they are using, they're not using 221 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:20,080 actual cheese. They're using a flavor oil that is cheese flavored. And that's why it says cheese 222 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,600 flavored flavor. If you ask me. But yeah, so basically there's just like, they want to have 223 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,560 some weird ass shit. They want to be like, they want to own weird ass shit. If you want chili 224 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,920 pepper tea, they got that. Whoa. If they, if you want a coconut jalapeno tea, they got that too. 225 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:43,280 Yeah. So, uh, it's fucking weird, man. It's fucking weird. Will flavor anything like anything. 226 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:51,760 Yeah. You know what it's not. I hope it tastes like coffee, which is great. Awesome. Oh, I'm sure. 227 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,440 Coffee. 80% chance. Right. You know, I'd like to see more weird. They got like essential oils 228 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:04,160 or whatever, but they're all kind of normal. Like where's my cheese flavored flavor essential oil. 229 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:12,000 I want to smell like cheese. You know what? This is a Zeuscape we're giving you. This is for you. 230 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:19,760 I want like aroma flavored flavored. I went like healing blend jalapeno cheese, aroma therapy. 231 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,520 You can get Jerusalem artichoke as like a dried herb. Oh, I thought that was Jerusalem artichoke 232 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:31,360 essential oil flavored coffee. That's funny. But yeah, so basically they just have a lot, 233 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:37,680 a lot of weird ass food shit on their website. All right. It's weird ass consumables, 234 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:44,640 7,500 weird ass consumables. Do they have pine flavor? Pine flavored coffee. Well, let's find 235 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:51,040 out. Ambergris. Ambergris. They have pineapple. Sorry. Okay. Good. Pineapple coffee. Like, 236 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,680 cause it's just, that's just flavored with like turpentine. Like don't do it. 237 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,880 Pineapple. Oh, coffee. Don't do that. Don't do that. Um, yeah. So it's kind of a weird ass 238 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,840 company. Is it a shell corporation for something else? I don't know. I'd love to talk about the, 239 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:12,400 um, the cheese. The cheese flavored flavor. Yeah. Yeah. So like, let's talk about how they even got 240 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,960 cheese flavored flavor. Oh, please. Yeah. I'm just talking about cheese. We're only going to talk 241 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:26,080 about cheese. Just like the concept of cheese. What is cheese? Yes. Cheese. I've never heard of such 242 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:33,440 things. Please tell me. Actually cheese, sadly is the one thing I love now, especially that like I'm 243 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:39,200 been trying to control my blood sugar, you know? Getting old, man. So I don't go hypoglycemic. 244 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:45,440 Well now my, um, cholesterol is up. What the fuck? Why does everything that I love have to be taken 245 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,760 away from me? No, you have to choose between blood sugar and cholesterol. You just have to pick which 246 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:55,200 one is going to be bad for you. I know. I've decided what I'm going to do is do more cardio 247 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:01,280 and eat less cheese, not no cheese. I'm going to meet, I'm going to just kind of moderation. 248 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,960 Isn't there a pill you could take that would allow you to not change your lifestyle at all? 249 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,600 Oh, Lipitor. I think there is lots of pills I could take that I could just not change my lifestyle at all. 250 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,120 Wow. You're an American. You should ask for some. You're right. God damn it. You need insurance. 251 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,680 You know, yeah, I was just about to say that that gets expensive when you don't have insurance. 252 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,560 I'm holding it. I'm trying to make it to 65. That's it. Then you can go on it. And then I, 253 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,920 yeah, then I can go crazy. Remember how I said when I turn 80, we're going to go party time. 254 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:38,720 Off the wagon. I can't wait. Well, 65 is the new 80. I'm going to party like it's 2001. 255 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,360 So tell us about this concept. Because I was partying in 2001. This concept of cheese. 256 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:53,840 Okay. So cheese, we all love it. Yep. No disagreements there. No, love it. Cheese 257 00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:02,160 is, goes back all the way. It is like, oh, fucking G to like the beginning of civilization. 258 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,560 They domesticated animals and they saw, they were like, oh, what's that baby? What's that baby cow 259 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,360 doing? Actually, it was sheep. What's that baby sheep? What's that baby goat doing? They're like, 260 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,880 let me try that. And they started, you know, doing the other thing. And then they had milk 261 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,360 and they were like, fuck yeah. Do the other thing. Do the other thing. If this were in a podcast, 262 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:28,160 you would have seen me milking a goat. Air milking. But since you didn't see it, 263 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,360 you're just imagining an old timey person with their mouth on a potter. Yeah, that's exactly. 264 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,120 That looks fun. 265 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:49,760 It's sick all this heat. I'll hide under this goat for a minute. Oh, I'm so thirsty. Goat, goat, goat. 266 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,800 Right. Get out of here, baby goat. My turn. 267 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:08,800 So this is, just imagine we're in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq. So just imagine you are an Iraqi 268 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:16,160 person and you're just laying on the ground underneath the goat. Underneath the full teats 269 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:24,240 of a goat. And then what? Thirsty in the desert sun. And you're like, I want some of this for later? 270 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:30,400 Yeah. So that's what happened. They're like, this is great. I want some of this later. So they 271 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:38,480 slaughtered that baby goat, took its fourth stomach, tied off one end and filled it the other end with 272 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:44,800 milk. Oh my God. But I have nothing to put this milk into. So they filled the fourth stomach of 273 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:52,240 the baby goat that they just killed for its mother's milk. Oh my God. And then it's in this fourth 274 00:27:52,240 --> 00:28:01,200 stomach of the baby goat. Marcus can't stop laughing. It's not funny. No, this is fucking brutal, man. 275 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,560 And then it turned to cheese and they were like, fuck yeah. 276 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:17,600 Oh my God. We have to kill all of these goats now. So that's like the interesting science part of 277 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:23,600 cheese making. They accidentally discovered rennet or whatever. So yeah, so rennet is this 278 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,920 set of enzymes, quemosin being the biggest one, that are found in ruminant animals. Do you know 279 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,600 what ruminant animals are? Yeah, ones that ruminate. The ones that eat grass or whatever. 280 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:42,000 They're the hooved animals that eat grass. So you're thinking sheep, cows, goats, horses. I mean, 281 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,520 you might be able to make horse cheese. Ooh, it sounds disgusting. No way. So these animals 282 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:53,600 are really interesting because all they do is eat grass all day, but grass is super tough and hard 283 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,400 to digest. So they have a few things that are really interesting. I learned about this in school. 284 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:03,360 So they have, first of all, they have teeth that are like super big and they got these chompers 285 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,920 that like, they grind up all of this. And then they have a like set of, I think four stomachs 286 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,120 to digest and break down all of this. And in their fourth stomach, there is a set of, 287 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,520 they have extra, they have all of these enzymes that fully break down and break, 288 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,720 take out all of the nutrients. So like, but the babies, like they're not eating grass yet. 289 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,560 So they still have this whole like digestive system set up, but their fourth stomach has these 290 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:37,040 enzymes for breaking down the mother's milk. So this is where this curdling effect comes in. 291 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,160 And as the baby animals grow, chemosin leaves, it goes away as they get older. And some of those 292 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:51,120 other enzymes that are in there, like take over. And the chemosin is what curdles the milk into 293 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,600 cheese. So that's why you have to use baby animals. Interesting. I didn't know that. 294 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,200 Yeah. It's kind of fucked up, but I mean, on the other hand, like veal, lamb, baby kids. 295 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,840 I can only imagine them like working their way down. They like put it in the first stomach and 296 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,000 like, ah, this milk sucks. And they put in the second one and they're like, this one's a little 297 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,480 better. And then the third one, and they're like getting there. And they did the fourth one and 298 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,880 then turned into cheese and they were like, we fucking hit pay dirt. Isn't that kind of gross 299 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:25,440 though? But I mean, back in the day, like, okay, so if you're a traveler or whatever, like you could 300 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:32,800 use clay pots, but what's easier? You know, like, oh, like nice. Guys, we got four tries at this. 301 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,360 Well, and you think about it back in the day too. So if they're figuring out cheese making 302 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,960 and everything, I mean, it worked out pretty perfectly because that mama animal would have 303 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:48,320 her baby and then they could off the baby animal use the stomach for run it. And then I still have 304 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,960 the milk going. I mean, it's kind of like a good farming circle or whatever. Amazing. 305 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:01,520 And interestingly, like different milks. So like sheep's milk, you want to use sheep run it or run 306 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,400 it from a sheep. And then like goat milk, you want to use goat run it and so on and so forth. 307 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:14,000 So that's interesting. It's like a whole different type of run it like ineffective or just weird. 308 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,800 I didn't really look into that too much, but it's, it's just suggested that you use that 309 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,840 because like my understanding is that those enzymes are for that milk specifically. I didn't 310 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,960 look into like what happens if you use it others, but you can make vegetable run it. I know that 311 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,800 from my cheese making days. Yeah. So they do have vegetable run it. And actually on a commercial 312 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:42,880 scale nowadays, it's so hard. Like they're like the, the demand for cheese far outpaces the demand for 313 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:50,800 run it and baby goats. Yeah, exactly. You figure like you get baby lamb like once a year veal is 314 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:59,120 not super common. So, um, so there's somebody somewhere getting those stomachs and making 315 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:05,680 cheese the way that it was made. Oh, they do. Yeah. Yeah. So the traditional way of making run it. 316 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:11,120 So you could make run it yourself actually, if you wanted to just slaughter a baby goat. 317 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:18,480 I want to try like real deal baby, like a baby had to die for this cheese. Oh yeah. I want that. 318 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:24,640 I feel like it would be better. So like, it would taste better. Traditionally, what they did was they 319 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,960 would just slice. This is how you would do it at home. You would take that stomach, you would slice 320 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,920 it up, um, into like strips or whatever. And then you would soak it in either salt water or whey 321 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,480 and you would add some vinegar or some wine to lower the pH of it, which is going to help, 322 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,440 which is going to stop like the microbes from forming. Like, and then after several days, 323 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,200 you just strain that off and then you got the run it that's in your solution. And you don't 324 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:58,880 actually need a lot. You just need like one gram for like an entire court. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's 325 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,200 like tiny, tiny amount of that solution. Like, so a little bit of run it, go to a very long way. 326 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:09,040 That's cool. So you could do that's like the home, make it yourself way. Um, more commonly, 327 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:15,360 if you're having like a animal run it, like if you're having actual animal run it, um, what 328 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,000 they'll do is they'll take deep frozen stomachs. This is kind of gross, but, and then they mill 329 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,520 them and then they, they have like a special solution, like an asset solution. Yeah. This 330 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,960 is on the industrial scale. Um, you know, and then it's like science and labs and standardization 331 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,720 and all of that. So like, that's, that's like the commercial way of doing it. Um, but actually what 332 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,760 is like most common, what they've done is they've taken, they started with the animal run it and the 333 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,520 animal enzymes, and then they just replicate it, um, using yeast. And then they like take that, 334 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,800 the like DNA or whatever and put it into the yeast and then create the run it with yeast, 335 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,960 kind of like the enzyme, the red, it enzymes using yeast. And then it's technically vegetarian, 336 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,520 but it started, it's kind of like how people are like, I don't want to use aborted fetuses 337 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:10,400 for stem cells. I was just thinking that. You're like, but these stem cells were from an aborted 338 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:21,040 fetus 20 years ago. It's fine. So, um, you know, yeah, whatevs. I don't know if I want to use an 339 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:31,680 aborted fetus to make cheese. That's terrible. But I still laughed. Wisconsin is not going to like 340 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,760 your abortive fetus jokes. Wisconsin, that's, that's illegal up there. Oh yeah. You're right. 341 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:42,240 Isn't it? Huh? Fuck. Yeah. Anyways. That joke's not approved. You know what though? Like 75% of 342 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:46,400 Americans support abortion. So I'm pretty sure that most of those people are fine with it. Oh, 343 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,520 well, let me tell you, Lake Okachee, they don't approve. 344 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,520 So like, yeah, so like the actual animal run it, that's probably for like some fancy French 345 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,040 cheeses or whatever. You're definitely not getting that shit in America. Right. No, 346 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,880 Aldi's not putting that. No, no, no. Like that is some fancy cheese making shit. I want to travel 347 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:14,400 for that. I mean, I think you could probably find some cheese monger around in Chicago or something 348 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:20,000 that makes it with actual animal run it. That's a, that's a good second alternative to traveling 349 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:28,640 for it. So yeah, so this cheese was like the first way back when it was like the best way to preserve 350 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,320 your milk and excess milk was with cheese. You know, we're in Mesopotamia, so it's hot as fuck 351 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:42,400 over there, desert. And I mean, you could still make cheese and have it last for a really long time. 352 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:50,080 So does it become like go-gurt? Are they like squeezing it out of the stomach on the, on the 353 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:57,040 road when they're like, no, they were not. Well, maybe actually probably back in the day in the 354 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,000 very beginning. Sure. You had this curdled milk and this like stomach and you're like slurping it. 355 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,800 Sure. Yum. It's like an apple sauce packet. I know, right? Of cheese. You know, I'm thinking like easy 356 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,440 cheese, like the can of like shelf stable, easy cheese. Man, that shit was the bomb when I was a 357 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:25,440 kid. Oh my God. I'm not going to be able to stop imagining the go-gurt concept. It's really 358 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:33,440 something. So gross. Anyways. So cheese preservation, cheese is often preserved at room 359 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,000 temperature, right? Because it's got like a rind on it or whatever. Like people aren't buying like 360 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,920 slices of cheese. People aren't making like the sliced cheese that we're imagining. They believe 361 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:51,280 that it probably originated in this area because hard and salty, hard and salty. So that is what 362 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,160 preserves the cheese, preserves the milk, lets it be a room temperature, even in hot climates. 363 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,840 It's not going to go bad. Once it started spreading more north, I think it was the Romans really, 364 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,920 who helped to spread the cheese more north as they conquered into Europe. As you get colder 365 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,560 climates, you have cheeses that are softer. You also, that's when you see like mold, 366 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,480 like not mold, like a cheese shaping mold, but like the mold and these sorts of things that are 367 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:27,440 going to be flavoring the cheeses as well. So there's a much wider range of types of cheeses. 368 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,800 So you think when you're up, like you think even in Italy, you have like Parmesan, which is really 369 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:39,120 hard, really salty, warm Mediterranean climate. That kind of cheese is great for there. But then 370 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,840 say you go like further north where they have my blue cheese or Swiss cheese or whatever, 371 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:50,240 you're going to have these softer, like crazier flavors of the cheeses. The French brie. It's 372 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:56,320 like that. And it's all, it's all lacto fermented lactobacillus, right? I don't know what the 373 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,280 different bacterias are. I think what you're, that might be a yogurt culture. It's the same one, 374 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,720 the same bacteria, cheese, yogurt, all that fermented stuff and flavor and all the different, 375 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,640 they all have some different strains, I think that have different flavors. Well, I know to make a 376 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:17,440 yogurt, you have to have these two specific, there's two specific bacteria for something to 377 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,560 be considered a yogurt and it is present in some cheeses. It doesn't mean it's present in all 378 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,760 cheeses. Right. Yeah. Basically what happens when you're, it's basically any sort of bacteria that 379 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:37,440 converts the lactose into lactic acid, the lactose in the milk, the sugar. And so it's when the 380 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,400 acidity is high enough, the milk coagulates and it'll do that even without the use of runnet. 381 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,760 That's where you can make cheese with like, there's like some soft cheeses that are used, an acid 382 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,200 would be used. Like you can even curdle cheese with lemon juice, vinegar, things like that. 383 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:59,840 That's like all the farmer's cheeses, like ricotta and all the really soft ones, those are broken. 384 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,760 They break the cheese with like an acid versus like the harder cheeses that uses the rennet. 385 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,240 Right. Exactly. Fresh mozzarella the same way. You can make fresh mozzarella at home pretty 386 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:16,160 easily. Right. You need, you need rennet, I think for mozzarella. Yeah. So rennet, so there's, 387 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,960 yeah, there's the acid based cheeses and then there's the runnet based cheeses. So the acid 388 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,760 based cheeses are going to be the softer cheeses. You're thinking, you're going to think of like 389 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,520 cream cheese, um, ricotta is technically like an acid cheese, even though that's like a by-product 390 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:37,040 of the cheese making using the whey. Oh, interesting. Um, so yeah, there's just like these different 391 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:43,680 ways of making cheeses. I mean, they even had cheese in the Sahara desert, which is crazy to 392 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,680 think about. It was just a way to preserve milk products. And then it kind of just spread. And 393 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,040 then the Romans took it and it's, they spread that up norther, northwards through Europe. 394 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,000 And then everybody kind of developed their own ways of making cheeses and it all became kind of 395 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,880 regional. And like what it's like, think about, um, like sourdough. So like they would be using when 396 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,880 making these cheeses, you're using these same bacterias, but it's picking up like, like wild 397 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:20,080 bacteria, whatever bacteria is in changing the flavors of these cheeses as well. But like the 398 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:27,120 modern day cheeses, like cheddar has been around since the 1100s, but yeah, all of them are recorded 399 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:34,400 in like the past thousand years, basically. So cheddar, the 1100s, Parmesan, 1597. So even though 400 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,880 it's a hard salty cheese, that would have been good in Italy a long time ago. And maybe they had 401 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,440 a cheese that was very similar to Parmesan. I would have to guess that they had cheeses that 402 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:49,680 were very similar to Parmesan going really far back, but the actual recipe as a standardization, 403 00:40:49,680 --> 00:41:00,000 crazy 1597 Gouda 1697. How do you pronounce this? Camembert, cam and there cam a bear. Yeah. 404 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:08,320 Somebody French. Okay. All right. That's 1791. That's a super soft one. Yeah. So, um, that's 405 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:15,360 basically it about cheese. Pretty fascinating, huh? Amazing. I love cheese. I really want cheese now. 406 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,320 Well, you're going to get some cheese flavored flavor coffee. All right. I just wanted to look 407 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:25,120 up a little bit about 10 drops just so I could talk a little bit about them. And as I'm Googling 408 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,760 10 drops, I found, it turns out like there's this, I don't know if the 10 drops coffee people know 409 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:37,920 this. It's like a colloquialism in Iceland. When somebody says, would you like to have some coffee? 410 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:44,640 Yes. Just 10 drops, please. I'm 100% certain that that, that they know that. Do you think so? 411 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,160 Do you think that's why they named themselves that? I do feel like that would be something that Chris 412 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,640 would do. That's so random. Or like they're all, they all care so much about like the details. 413 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:59,680 I'm certain. I want to know more about that now. I want to know like how, how are you Icelandic? 414 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:08,160 You know, potentially. Nordic? They both give off Viking vibes. They totally do. Yeah. That's true. 415 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,480 So what does it mean when you say only 10 drops? Does that mean half a cup or are they just being 416 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,080 silly and they're like, yes, give me all the coffee. No. So this is what happened. That's 417 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:26,000 Scandinavian humor. So back in the day, Iceland was colonized back, I want to say like 900 AD or 418 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:33,120 900 years ago, maybe 11, whatever, like 900 is the number. So back when it was first colonized, 419 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,600 the Danish come in, the Danish Vikings come in, they populate the, the island. But then, you know, 420 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,400 coffee starts becoming popular and we didn't we talk about that? Wasn't it a Danish guy who stole 421 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:51,040 some of the coffee beans from Papa Budan or Baba Budan? Papa Budan. No, no, there was some guy, 422 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,320 a Nordic guy who stole some too. Oh, okay. Maybe. Because remember it was like French and Norway or 423 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,520 Denmark? Denmark? Yeah, it was Denmark. Okay. So anyway, so they get coffee over in Iceland, 424 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,440 but it's only like 1500, 1600s or whatever, but it's only for the elite. So as time goes by, 425 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:14,160 coffee becomes more common for the commoners, but it's still really expensive. There's no like 426 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,920 centralized coffee roasting operations. They just had green coffee and they would roast it themselves. 427 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:27,440 But because it's what's considered to be a colonial good, basically just meaning expensive 428 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,600 and not local. When somebody would say, would you like some coffee? They would, it would just be a 429 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:39,360 way of being polite. Oh sure, but just ten drops please. Because it's so expensive. I don't want 430 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,160 to drink all your coffee. Just a sip. Yes, exactly. That's nice. Exactly. And it's just kind of hung 431 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:50,160 on and like stayed around. What a fun name. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. I thought that was a fun 432 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,840 little piece of history. Iceland, I don't know if you know this, but their livestock are like a 433 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:04,400 protected animal. Like a breed or heritage breed? Yeah, it's a heritage breed and it's protected. 434 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:11,280 They don't let in outside animals because they don't want anything ruining their native 435 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:20,320 breeds of animals. So even like their goats, their sheep, their cows are all really special 436 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:29,280 to Iceland. And so their dairy and their milk and their cheeses are all special. They're considered, 437 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,920 at least by Icelandic standards. I don't know about everybody, but they're like high butterfat, 438 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,040 like really tasty, like kind of sweet, like really great milk, especially for making cheeses. 439 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,680 I want to get some Icelandic cheese now. Well you kind of can. Icelandic cheese is actually more 440 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:52,640 kind of like Greek yogurt. So it's skir, skire, skire. Have you heard of this? It's like a culture 441 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,960 and it is, you're making your skire, skir, skir. Is this how we pronounce it? I'm sorry, I don't 442 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,720 know the pronunciation. Skir. I'm going to say skir. It's probably skir. I don't know. We need 443 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:10,080 to drink some coffee because I really, I'm going to leave here and go buy some cheese. I'm so hungry 444 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:20,240 for cheese. So, do you see the piece of cheese Danish? So skir, it's made similarly to yogurt 445 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:25,120 and it's like, you know, kept fermented in like a warm temperature. You use a little bit of your 446 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:30,640 old skire to make a new batch of skire. But it does have a little bit of a cheesier flavor. 447 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,720 And like Greek yogurt, you're going to strain off some of the whey after you've made it. 448 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,080 So thicken it up. So it gets really thick, but I guess it's much creamier than Greek yogurt. 449 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:50,080 Very smooth consistency, but tangy. Like it has that real yogurt tang with a bit of a, 450 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,400 like more of a, like a cream cheese style flavor is what I've imagined. I know I've bought this 451 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,640 stuff. You can buy it pretty much everywhere. Yeah. There are some companies in the United States 452 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:06,000 that are making authentic Icelandic skire. You just have to do some research. Is there like a 453 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,880 brand called skire? I mean, that's what I'm picturing. Might be. I don't, there could be. 454 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:18,320 That kefir. Kefir. Yeah. Well, that's another fermented milk product, but that one I think is 455 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:27,920 more probably more towards the Iraq area. Anyways. So anyways, but skire is like a part of Icelandic 456 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:34,320 culture, like a deep part, like identifier of Icelandic culture. This is very interesting, 457 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:42,080 but I can't imagine that goats and cows and sheep originated there. Right? I mean, 458 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,280 they were brought there at some point. They were brought there by the Vikings back when it was 459 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,800 first colonized at the same time, like way back 900 years ago or whatever. But so still, I mean, 460 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:57,200 they're the same as every place else. They just have slowly evolved to be slightly different or 461 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:04,240 whatever. Yeah. Basically. So you figure like over time, like just this population, they have just, 462 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,240 they have not interbreeded. You figure all animals, like some animals are better for meat. 463 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,400 Some are better for milk. Some are better for this. Some are like better for like pulling farm 464 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:19,120 equipment or whatever. Right. So theirs have just been kept very pure, have not been like cross 465 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:29,760 bred at all. And that strain or that lineage right back from the original nomadic cheese making. 466 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:37,760 Yeah. Iceland is very, very particular about their livestock. Interesting. Yeah. So, 467 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,680 yeah, I think that's all I got about cheese flavored, flavored coffee. 468 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,960 Shall we brew some coffee? No. 469 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:52,400 Should we eat some cheese? Can we just skip over? Can we skip the coffee and go straight to, 470 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:59,600 oh, that reminds me why we decided to do this episode. Can I tell you the funnest fact? Yes. 471 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:05,760 Okay. So this coffee, we've had this coffee for over a year. I kept it hidden in the shipping 472 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,520 packaging so that neither Steph nor Marcus would look at it and be like, oh, we got to do cheese 473 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,400 flavored, flavored coffee. Cause I was hoping everyone would forget about it. My plan was 474 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,560 effective. We did forget because I was so excited about it at first. Yeah. So we had to pick, 475 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,720 find an episode last minute because Marcus was supposed to do another episode, but then he didn't 476 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,480 send me the coffee he wanted to try. And then he was out of town and couldn't do the research 477 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:36,480 anyways. And so it was Sunday night and we're like, shit, we didn't have, we don't have an episode. 478 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:42,160 Right. And I had just recently learned this fun fact and I was like, I think it's time because I 479 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:48,640 want to share this fun fact and I need an excuse. So recently I found a recipe for homemade nacho 480 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:55,200 cheese and we're going to try that actually on our, as a Patreon bonus episode. We do get cheese. 481 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,440 Yeah. We're going to have some fucking homemade nacho cheese. Oh my God. But so basically nacho 482 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,320 cheese like goes back to like the fifties. So some guy, his nickname was nacho invented. 483 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:13,680 Really? Isn't that so fun? Oh my God. Ignacio Nacho, his nickname, Anaya. That's awesome. 484 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:20,480 In 1954, he invented nacho cheese. What a legacy that man has left us. I know, right? Fucking cool. 485 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:30,640 He, it was invented at his restaurant in Piedras Negras, Mexico. So the original recipe was just 486 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:37,120 tortilla chips, cheese and pickled jalapenos. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Right. So then in 2011, 487 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:46,240 Modernist Cuisine Magazine suggested using sodium citrate. It's an emulsifying salt to make 488 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:50,960 gooey nacho cheese, something that you could make at home and keep it really gooey, like nacho cheese 489 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:58,400 without all of those weird, whatever they do at the baseball park ingredients. So this is, you know, 490 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:08,560 60 years after nacho invented nachos and nacho cheese. Can I tell you the craziest fucking 491 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:16,480 coincidence? Science. So we all know how like a chemical formula is a series of letters and numbers, 492 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:26,000 right? I'm just going to read you the letters in their order of sodium citrate, N-A-C-H-O. 493 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:35,280 Oh, shut the fuck up. Fucking crazy. That is crazy. That's awesome. I remember reading that. 494 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,360 And I was like, that is insane. And I just assumed seeing that, that I was like, oh, 495 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,160 that's what makes nacho cheese nacho cheese. That's what I thought too. Backwards, like scuba, 496 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:53,520 you know, right? Like scuba cheese. Yeah. But no, just random coincidence. That is crazy. Fucking 497 00:50:53,520 --> 00:51:00,000 amazing, right? And I'm like, I have to be able to tell somebody. And that's why we're drinking 498 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,960 cheese flavored coffee after a year of you hiding it from us. Yeah. I was waiting for that factoid. 499 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:11,040 Cause that factoid is too fucking good. That's awesome. Isn't that amazing? Yes. I like, 500 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:20,880 the world and life never works out so perfectly as it does. It was like ordained. Right. Isn't cheese 501 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:28,480 amazing? It was destiny. It had to happen that way. I'm like still like, I just. Shall we brew some 502 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:35,360 coffee now? Science, man. Yeah. And so anyways, I'm super, if you can't tell, I'm like putting this 503 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:42,640 off, delaying. I am super excited to try this nacho cheese recipe for Love It or Leave It. 504 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,080 Okay. Well, we'll be right back with cheese flavored cheese coffee. 505 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,080 Tasting coming right up after a word from our sponsor. 506 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:22,800 What they're roasting today. Pip pip cheerio. And we're back. Thanks so much. 507 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,840 Sponsor Marcus, that voice actor you guys hired for. We got to get that voice actor to do some 508 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:35,200 new commercials for us. So good. Yeah. Yeah. Our voice actor was so excited about doing those first 509 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:42,560 ones. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure if you got him a script. I mean, it just used the same script, right? Just 510 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:51,280 a different voice. I mean, the information's all the same. I don't know. So are you ready for an 511 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:58,000 olfactory reveal? So much ready. Yeah. I can't wait. I've been. The olfactory reveal is. 512 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,320 Plunky. Jenny brought out the tiniest coffee cups for this coffee by the way. 513 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,840 And I brewed the tiniest amount of coffee. I literally, that's all we get right there. 514 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,760 The least amount. You know what? We can always brew more, but I mean, 515 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:22,400 the less I had to clean out of my grinder. Oh, right. It smells. Can you, can you, is it 516 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,800 wafting? You know what this is giving me flashbacks of breakfast with Elvis coffee. No. 517 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:35,520 Banana like in France. I'm thinking of like just the chemical odor. Ah, yes. And that's not a bad 518 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,720 review. It's just a chemical odor. Oh, now you're wafting it. I'm smelling it over here. There's 519 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:46,000 lots of things that are chemicals that I love. You know what? That's, that's, um, that's VOC. 520 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,000 That's like pure VOCs. Will this give me cancer? Possibly. Is there a warning? I'm going to, 521 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:58,080 you know what? They say that they are GMAP, which is general manufacturer, something about being good 522 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:06,400 manufacturing processes. Oh, GMAP. Great. Yeah. Here is what I smell from the bag. Tobacco. Okay. 523 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,760 Which is a positive thing when we're talking about coffee. What did you say you smelled? 524 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:18,320 Tobacco. Oh, good. Yeah, that's true. I smelled that too. Also, almonds. Oh, you got that almond 525 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,360 again, huh? To me it smells like almonds. Oh, you are doing so good. Tobacco and almond. Delicious. 526 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,400 Not what I expected. So yeah, I had really wanted to invite Chris from 10 Drops to be on this 527 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,640 episode. Actually, that's probably the biggest reason why it's taken us a year to get around 528 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:44,400 to this. Yeah. I can't really describe, um, this. It's, it does feel very, um, chemical laden. Are 529 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,680 you getting any notes of cheese? Not really. I was expecting more like cheddar or like Gouda or 530 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,720 something, but. Or like the artificial movie popcorn, like cheddar. That's what I was expecting. 531 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,600 Yeah. I'm not getting any of that. No. Are you getting any floral notes of jasmine? 532 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:05,200 I wasn't even getting that either. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that was the tobacco. I wasn't getting a 533 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,520 ton of, I'm trying to find nice words. I got my, I was a hundred percent VOCs and you know what? 534 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:19,200 I love sniffing glue. So it's great. Yeah. Um, so when I roast coffee and I want to like drink 535 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,400 coffee, like I know when it's, when it's good is when I smell it and it makes me hungry. Like I 536 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,800 want to eat it. And I didn't, you know, with this, you wanted more hunger, you know, this, right. This 537 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:37,280 makes me like the opposite of that. Yeah. Yeah. Not in a bad way. It makes you lose your appetite. 538 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:43,200 Yes. There you go. You know what? I am always down to lose a couple of pounds. Right. You know, 539 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,320 a loss of appetite. Sure. Let's go for it. We could, we, this may be a marketing thing, right? 540 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,480 Where, if you need to go that direction. I don't need to lose more than a couple of pounds. Right. 541 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,360 And I'm not saying I need to lose a couple of pounds. I'm just saying if I lost my appetite 542 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:03,120 from my morning cup of coffee and happened to lose a couple of pounds, it'd be okay. Yeah. Okay. Great. 543 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:09,600 So we found out who this is for. It's if you would like to, if you'd like to slim down a little for 544 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:17,200 the summer. Who's brave enough to try it. I will try it. No, no doubt about that to me. I totally 545 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:24,560 expected that. Just 10 drops. Just 10 drops. That's it. Truly. That was more than you needed to give me. 546 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,480 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, it does have a bit of a, a bit of a fruity like coffee smell that the other, 547 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,920 that almondy, maybe that's the Jasmine too. Maybe like the almond and the fruity together. 548 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:44,160 This is a very strange smelling coffee. Wait, this is a very unique smelling coffee. 549 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:50,000 Yeah. Yeah. The aromatics on the cup, I feel like are better than the aromatics on the beans. 550 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,800 They are definitely stronger in the cup than they are in the beans. I do smell a little bit more 551 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,520 floral. It smells more appetizing here. There is a scent in there that I'm having a really hard time 552 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,080 with. Maybe it is the tobacco that you were describing Steph. Do you smell that clean smell? 553 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:10,960 Like, uh, like Lysol. I do have a hint of Lysol. That's the, that's the Jasmine. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. 554 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:18,960 It's, um, it's not an unpleasant scent. It's different and it's not super coffee like, 555 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,480 right? But I don't find, where is the cheddar? I don't find it unpleasant. Yeah, there's no cheddar. 556 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,120 There's no cheddar. None. I am feeling a little sad about that. If I'm going to have a cheese 557 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,360 flavored coffee, I want it to fucking taste like cheese. Maybe we need to stir in a little of your 558 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:40,640 nacho cheese. Oh my God. That's horrible. But you know, those freeze dried. That is a good idea, 559 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,920 Steph. Those like hard freeze dried cheese things that are really popular. The snacks, yeah. I assumed it was 560 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,600 going to have that in there and that on the label it said made with real cheese. That's what I was 561 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:57,040 hoping it would say. I was thinking like cheese powder. Like if I was thinking coffee beans coated 562 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:07,680 in cheese powder. You know, either would be fine. So I don't know where the idea of cheese in coffee 563 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:15,520 comes from, but I do know that we have friends who are maybe even in the Patreon who went to go get 564 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:21,200 bubble tea at like an Asian, whatever you call a bubble tea shop. I think it's just called a bubble 565 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:28,000 tea shop. Okay. Out by the mall, out on the east side. And there was an option to get coffee with 566 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,880 cheese foam. Oh yes. I remember this. So I was curious if like cheese and coffee was like a 567 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:40,480 thing that people do. Maybe it's like an Asian thing, but I haven't seen that. I didn't think cheese was an Asian thing at all. 568 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:48,720 Right. Exactly. So it's really mysterious. Am I wrong? You are wrong. Cheese is actually like goes way back in China. 569 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:53,280 Oh really? As a matter of fact. Oh yeah. It goes way back in China. And then also you think like 570 00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:01,040 paneer. Oh, it's an Indian. So that part, that's more like a Western Asia type of. Sure. But it's, I don't think 571 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,480 it's as big of a thing. No, I don't, I didn't really look into it as like a Japanese thing, but yeah, 572 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,760 Chinese cheese. Amazing. Cheese. There's like a long history in China. Did you guys try the coffee yet? 573 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:18,560 No, it's a little too hot. I love how we're all really, we're savoring this moment of aroma. 574 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:24,960 It's surprisingly not bad. Oh, how about that? Yeah. I don't want to burn my tongue and miss out on all 575 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:31,200 the good flavors. So I don't want to coat my tongue with any of the flavors. I actually can't wait for you to 576 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:37,120 try it. Maybe you should have brewed more. We can always brew more. Look on Charlie's face. 577 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:43,360 Like are you fucking with us, Marcus? Is it really not bad? No, it's really not bad. There's not a lot 578 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:49,920 of, there's actually no cheddar flavor as far as I can tell. It's just really clean, really smooth, 579 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:56,640 and it just, it's kind of nice. I want to say, as much as I don't want to say that, it's not bad. 580 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:03,760 I love that like a specialty coffee guy hit so perfectly with the concept of this podcast though, 581 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:11,120 like cheese flavored flavor coffee. Like perfect, quintessential. That's great. It's such a great 582 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:16,400 suggestion. So if you have, if you want to, like I said, send us your craziest coffee ideas, 583 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:24,640 we'll take links. Like this is, this is so far superior than like the taco. I see. I thought 584 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,200 spicy taco coffee could have been worse. I didn't mind the taco. I did not love the fact that it had 585 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:35,360 artificial beef flavor. That's fucking weird, but I mean, no bad reviews on artificial beef. I mean, 586 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:41,440 it's, it's fine if you're vegan. I mean, they're totally into artificial beef flavor. Guys, I could 587 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:49,680 drink this black. You are, I'm not kidding you. I'm trying to, I'm jumping way ahead. Give no bad 588 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:56,160 reviews. I still haven't taken a sip yet. It's like I get to the, I just like, I get to the point where 589 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,920 I smell it and I'm like, I'm just so happy just smelling it. Why do I need to put this? I don't 590 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:08,560 need to taste it too. And look, I've said this before that I'm, I do like the more floral kind 591 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:15,760 of coffees. So maybe it's geared a little bit towards me, but I'm, I can say that I've had worse. 592 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,840 I've had far worse than this cheese flavor, flavor coffee in my opinion. That's very strange because 593 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:25,360 yeah, I'm not getting any cheese, but I am getting that Jasmine, like Jasmine tea, floral flavor. 594 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:30,800 That's interesting. Yeah. I get a lot of the floral notes. Yes. 595 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,080 You guys all don't want to admit it. No, I don't, I don't think I like it as much as you do, 596 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,480 which makes sense because I don't like the floral things as much as you do. 597 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:47,280 What's it going to take to get you in this cup of coffee stuff? I think, I feel like I'm picking up 598 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,720 that cherry almond flavor and maybe that is like in my head. Is that giving you flashbacks right now? 599 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:58,640 But I feel, I just feel like with every, every one of these artificial flavored coffees, I'm like, 600 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:06,160 I feel like I pick up those notes of cherry almonds. Is it possible it's in your head a little bit? 601 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:11,040 I mean, yeah, definitely it's possible, but that's what I feel like I'm tasting. The other thing 602 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:19,520 that's unique about this coffee, I'm getting like the tingle in the back of my jaw, like as though 603 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:26,160 it's sour, which is probably again, Marcus, what you like, because that's the type of like light 604 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:34,240 roast flavor that you like. It is not my bag. What's it going to take to get you loving this coffee? 605 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,840 Is it going to be, is it Uncle Nearest? Do you need him to help you out? Is it sugar? Is it milk? 606 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:45,280 Yeah, I'm going to need something. Maybe, I feel like maybe some milk might help. 607 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,600 I feel like milk would do really nice. I'm going to get some milk right now and the whipped cream. 608 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:56,000 I'm not opposed to whiskey, but we are going into work later. This is a tiny cup and I feel like. 609 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,880 At that point, you're just drinking whiskey. Yes, it's going to be 50-50 at least on the whiskey 610 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:10,160 side. This is not anything like what I expected and it's not terrible. 611 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:16,480 I mean, even from the visual on the beans that look like it would be darker tasting, 612 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,920 like more bitter, I'm surprised it's not as bitter as I expected it to. I'm surprised it's not nearly 613 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,400 as dark in the cup as I was expecting. We get coffees that look pretty light and then end up 614 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:31,600 really dark when they're brewed. This one started out like black and almost oily and it's not that 615 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:38,240 dark in the cup. Weird. Maybe it's all those jasmine buds. I'm going to skip the low-fat 616 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,560 milk that's been offered. Thank you. Because I don't believe in low-fat milk. It's 1%. 617 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:48,560 It's 1% right now. I'm going to jump right to the heavy whipping cream. Thank you. I'll tell you 618 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,520 what though, I use that 1% every morning. It's really not any different than 2%. Yes, I also 619 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:58,560 don't believe in 2%. Well, my cholesterol test doesn't believe in whole milk anymore. 620 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,360 Back at you. I bought some heavy whipping cream. I do have that. Do you want that instead? No, 621 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,840 that's good. I used a bunch of whipped cream. Thank you. Because that's nice sugar too. Yes. 622 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:15,040 I bought some heavy whipping cream for a recipe. Never made the recipe. I've just been drinking 623 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,400 the heavy whipping cream. Nice. In coffee. Okay. Not just straight. I want to drink it straight. 624 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,960 Lately? Because you're glowing. Did you have that for breakfast today? I didn't have it today, 625 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,480 but it's probably built up in my system. Yeah. Right. I added a little bit of sweet. I think 626 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,640 that helped it a bit. Interesting. I'm going to try adding a little bit. I'm going to go for the 627 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:43,760 1% low fat milk. I feel like that milk might seal the deal for you. The two complement each other, 628 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:50,400 I think. Or going to. Yeah. Yeah. It is strange that it doesn't have any cheese flavor, but maybe 629 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,480 this milk could bring out the cheese. Oh yeah. Yeah. I was kind of hoping a little dairy would. 630 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,000 That's interesting. I find it much more palatable with the whipped cream. 631 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:03,440 Having a little bit of sweet and a little bit of milk, it kind of takes it into normal flavored 632 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:09,920 coffee territory. Yeah. Except I'm not actually tasting much flavor, which again is normal, 633 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,320 I guess, for flavored coffee. Right. Except for it still does have those floral notes. 634 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,960 It's not bad with the whipped cream. It's very drinkable. I'm going to have no trouble getting 635 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:25,760 this down. It's interesting for a flavored coffee. Surprising. I've never had a coffee that has 636 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:31,760 actual flower. I mean, I guess we had the lavender coffee. This is my first jasmine floral coffee. 637 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,640 Yeah. Not a usual thing that you would expect. I don't know. Are we poisoning ourselves right now? 638 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:42,240 I don't even know. Is jasmine a flower that is poisonous? I don't think so. I think it's commonly 639 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:48,880 used. Yeah. So yeah, I got some whipped cream. I got some milk, sugar. I think that's where my 640 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:56,000 no bad review lies. Yeah. It's not bad with cream, sugar, and whipped cream. Surprisingly. You might 641 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:02,000 be helping import drugs into the country if you buy this. You may not be. And no judgment there 642 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,840 either. Yeah, who knows? I do find it interesting that it's like this is not even proper FDA labeling 643 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:13,520 without the grams and the fact that this is definitely more than four ounces. Yeah. That's 644 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,880 great. Don't give a fuck. Just trying to cover up the smell. Because I use 30 grams. So that would 645 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,360 have been about, well, I guess that's only one ounce. Never mind. But yeah, I did not use just. 646 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:30,240 No, that's more than four ounces. This is weird. Yeah. Yeah. So what was Zeuscapes tagline if 647 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:35,680 you're looking for fun and interesting. Basically, yeah. That's it in a nutshell. If you want 648 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:41,200 something that's fucking weird, we got it for you. Look, and this coffee is at least a year old. 649 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,920 At least a year old. Right. It still has another nine months on it though. 650 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:54,240 Jeez. I think 10 drops is enough. I think. I don't, it's definitely not what I expect. It's 651 01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:04,880 unexpected. It's an unexpected cup of coffee and it is ingestible. Hey, good. Ingestible. 652 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,240 So. I would say it's not the worst coffee we've ever tried on this podcast. It definitely isn't. 653 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:15,920 Right. And if you're into floral cups of coffee, you know, this is, in my opinion, 654 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:22,000 this is probably the best cheese flavored coffee that we're going to get. I hope so. 655 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,280 No notes of cheese definitely makes the best cheese flavored coffee. 656 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,120 Exactly. I don't see how you can improve on it. 657 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,000 Awesome. So there you have it. So. Oh, thanks Jenny. Was that our episode? Yeah. Finally. 658 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,520 Fun learning about cheese. That was great. That was a lot of fun. Yeah. Who knew? You know, 659 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,480 RIP to all the baby animals out there that gave their lives so we could have cheese. 660 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,240 Thank you little goat. Grateful. That you're not a baby cow. 661 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,480 Baby goat gave its life to, so you could, you know. Goat cheese. You have some goat cheese. 662 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,720 I will pour out this coffee in honor of the baby goat. 663 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:05,520 There you go. Yeah. So thanks everyone. 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