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March 28, 2023

Turkish Coffee + The Origins of Coffee Culture

Turkish Coffee + The Origins of Coffee Culture
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In this week's episode, Jenni covers Turkish style coffee and the origins of coffee culture. The first recorded history of coffee dates back to the mid 1500s in Yemen. Sultan Suleiman then spread it throughout the entire Ottoman Empire. Turkish style coffee brewed using a cezve/ibrik became so prominent that it is still the main brew method throughout most of the countries that were a part of the Ottoman Empire. From the first coffee houses in the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul to modern day political fights over coffee, this episode has it all!For the tasting, we picked up some Kurukahveci Mehmet Efendi Turkish coffee and a cezve big enough for three at our local Mediterranean grocery store. Listen to find out how brewing it over an open flame on mic goes and to find out what we think! Jenni even tries her hand at reading coffee grounds as they do in Turkey.Kurukahveci Mehmet Efendi: https://mehmetefendi.com/eng/products/turkish-coffeeFurther media:https://boisecoffee.org/podcast/episode-six-turkish-coffee/https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/04/27/179270924/dont-call-it-turkish-coffee-unless-of-course-it-is#:~:text=Back%20home%20in%20Bulgaria%2C%20as,the%20Turks%20call%20a%20cezve.https://www.ducksters.com/history/renaissance/ottoman_empire.phphttps://www.thespruceeats.com/tasseography-tea-leaf-reading-symbols-765838-Buy a mystery box of past products that we have tried on the podcast! For $10 you will receive 10 cups worth of coffee. Includes shipping! Limited supplies, buy here: https://www.paypal.com/instantcommerce/checkout/YUHJNDHDX2CTEHelp us buy questionable coffee!https://www.patreon.com/nobadreviewspodhttps://www.buymeacoffee.com/nobadreviewspod
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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,760 Before we get started, we just want to let you know about a few ways you can support our Grassroots 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:12,720 Indie Show. You can follow us on social media at No Bad Reviews Pod. We'd love it if you could go 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:20,160 to your favorite podcasting app and rate us and review us. Also, please tell a friend about our 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:28,480 podcast. And last, you can financially support us on patreon.com no bad reviews, buymeacoffee.com 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:34,720 slash No Bad Reviews Pod. And you can buy merch at our website, nobadreviewspodcast.com. 6 00:00:34,720 --> 00:01:03,520 Thank you and enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to No Bad Reviews colon 7 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:09,920 a coffee podcast. This is a podcast where three friends, coffee industry professionals, 8 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:17,520 and co-workers. Look, I switched it up. We get together every other week and we discuss something 9 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:24,320 related to coffee. We do is we choose a coffee, any coffee, and we commit to giving it no bad reviews. 10 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,720 And we commit to learning something. It's a it's an education podcast. A lot of commits. 11 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:37,360 It's I'm that's what I like. I like commitment. That's why I'm still with you. Oh, oh, 12 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:43,840 is that nice or not? Nice. I think it's nice. Okay. Yeah. All right. My heart was touched. 13 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,840 If you want to take it that way. The good thanks. You're still here for many reasons. 14 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:54,080 No, the commitment. That's true. But also the love. I made it. I made it. I made a commitment 15 00:01:54,080 --> 00:02:02,240 before God. Sorry. I usually do sickness and in health, aggravation and fun. 16 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:11,280 Till death do us part. Knock on wood. I usually do a cost benefit analysis between hiring an attorney 17 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,480 and like going through with it. And it's like, it's always like, 18 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:19,600 it's like, I may as well just fucking stay together. Stay with a commitment. Good job. 19 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,240 Would you want to have to like figure out like kids stuff? You gotta at least stay together till 20 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,040 they're out of the house. Oh my God. But I would do anything to have every other weekend off you guys. 21 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:35,760 I know that's I'm sorry. That is the thing I'm most envious of. My divorce friends like, wait, 22 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:43,760 you get four days off a week. Anyway, so yeah, so we get together every week. We find the coffee. 23 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,960 We try the coffee. We commit to giving it no bad reviews. But before we do that, we're going to 24 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:57,040 learn a little something about ourselves, this world, history, the future, politics, culture. 25 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:03,360 I don't know. The coffee is our guide and I'm Jenny and I run the operations at a coffee company 26 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:11,120 called Mattis Coffee. And I'm Marcus and I'm drinking early today. He didn't even wake for noon. 27 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,920 Yeah. Did you guys know that? Well, I knew cause you poured me one when I walked in the door. 28 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:21,440 Yeah. Happy St. Patrick's Day. Happy St. Patrick's Day. I'm Stephanie. I'm the employee of the month 29 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:27,360 for 48 consecutive months at Mattis Coffee. I'm happy to be drinking with you. Yeah. You just had 30 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,000 your four year anniversary. Yes. Happy anniversary to all of us. Guess what? You get a raise. 31 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,480 Amazing. I love raise day. It's nice, isn't it? Yeah. I'll drink to that. 32 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,480 Yeah. That's why we're drinking today. You know, drinking by we, I mean you. 33 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,200 You guys are always doing this to me. Incidentally. It's fine. Fuck snakes. 34 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,840 Fuck snakes. Right. Because that's St. Patrick. Right. That's what he did. 35 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,840 Was it really snakes? I don't think so. Cause we did a whole episode on this a whole year ago. 36 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,760 So if you want to find out what St. Patrick's Day is really all about, just rewind a year ago. Hint, 37 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:11,280 it was Budweiser. Anyway, so we're going to keep you on the rails today, Marcus, despite the number 38 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:20,000 of drinks you've had. Good luck. And we're going to go into a different holiday a little bit. Today, 39 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:28,000 we are doing Turkish coffee. Pretty interesting. You know, Mediterranean. It's basically Irish. 40 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,440 It's a lot. It's a lot. It's actually, we happen to be in the month of Ramadan right now. So this 41 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:38,880 is actually a pretty fitting topic. You know, I've always wanted to learn about Ramadan. Well, 42 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,360 today we're not learning about Ramadan, but I can tell you a little bit about Ramadan just off the 43 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,800 top of my head. Cause I didn't research it for this episode. No, that's fine. So Ramadan is a 44 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:54,560 month of fasting. Muslim people around the world, they're going to fast from sunup to sundown. 45 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,760 People who are older, like they don't expect kids to do this, but it's kids. So obviously having 46 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:06,560 Ramadan in a time of year when the days are shorter is better. Ramadan in the summer kind of sucks. 47 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Yeah. Sounds like Muslim Lent. It can be, but it's not based on the Lenten calendar, the same 48 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,840 calendar that Christians go by. So it happens to line up with Lent this year, but it doesn't always. 49 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,960 Oh, okay. Yeah. So- Wait, is it sometimes in the summer? 50 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Yeah. Oh. It changes all throughout the year. It's different times of the year. I don't really know 51 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,520 exactly why, but- Is it a lunar calendar? Is that why? 52 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,960 It must be a lunar calendar thing. So yeah, when it's during the summer, that's gotta be really 53 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,760 shitty. Yeah, man. Wow. So the point of Ramadan, from my understanding, from talking to people who 54 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,480 are Muslim, I don't know the whole history behind it. At least I don't remember all of it, but 55 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:52,320 basically it's the month of fasting. It's going to bring you closer to God. It's also going to 56 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,920 help you be more empathetic with people who don't have as much. During Ramadan, you're going to want 57 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:03,920 to give back to people. You're going to want to do acts of charity. Also, you're, like I said, 58 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,200 fasting during the day, but those evenings when you break a fast, it's like party time. It's just 59 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,320 time for everybody to gather and your family, especially if you live in a Muslim majority 60 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,800 country, everybody in your neighborhood, everybody's getting together. They're going to feast. They're 61 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,480 going to have a really nice time. So it's also a holiday of community gathering and celebration. 62 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:30,080 It's like work hard, play hard for Muslims. Love it. Sure. Great. Yeah. I mean, to me, it sounds 63 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,400 like, I mean, aside from the whole fasting part, it sounds like a really nice holiday. 64 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:40,000 A month of fasting is a lot. I mean, a lot of religions do have fasting for like a day, 65 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,040 but like a month. I mean, it's a real commitment. I could do it if I got to have a party every night. 66 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:50,880 That's true. And it probably is pretty fun when the sun finally sets every night. What about, 67 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,480 so it's only water during the day, right? It's like no, not even like coffee or anything. 68 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,640 I heard it was like, um, you could eat like crackers and shit. 69 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:08,640 Really? Maybe. No, I don't know. No, you're really not supposed to eat, um, any food at all. 70 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:13,520 You can not drink water. You can't drink water. Technically you're not. That's what I thought, 71 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,680 but I wanted to confirm. So technically you're not supposed to drink water, not supposed to eat 72 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,480 during the day. But the thing is like, they don't want anybody dying. So if you have a 73 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:28,160 medical condition, you need to eat or you need to drink, or if you're really not feeling well, like 74 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,120 you're legit dehydrated, you know, you have to still take care of your body as well. But the 75 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,000 whole point is not to kill yourself. The whole point is to like, bring yourself closer to God, 76 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:45,360 to have a spiritual experience. Um, like I said, to be able to feel what it's like to be somebody 77 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:52,400 who does go hungry. I've noticed those sometimes like when I fast, like unintentionally, it improves 78 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:58,640 focus. It like after a while, like I just sort of like get like almost like a fervent, right? Like, 79 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:05,120 yeah, like all like, you know, just hyper focused about what I'm, whatever I'm into. So I could see 80 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,320 that being like religious, you know, like a thing, you know, just going with it. Also, there are 81 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:17,280 health benefits to fasting anyways. So your cells, if you're constantly consuming foods, 82 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:24,400 or just, you know, energy or whatever, any excess energy is going to get stored in your cells or, 83 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,080 you know, the waste product of that energy will be stored in your cells. And it's really important 84 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:34,800 to have a fast because then your cells can kind of clean up. Um, so, I don't know. Dear listeners, 85 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:40,800 this is the intermittent fasting episode. Um, so anyways, this, we happen to be in the midst of 86 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:47,920 Ramadan right now. We are not celebrating, but to those who are celebrating Ramadan, um, happy 87 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,320 Ramadan, happy Ramadan. I don't know, whatever, whatever you're greeting to somebody for Ramadan 88 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,120 would be, I greet you that way. You know, I'm glad you did the research. Yeah. So what's the episode 89 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,400 about Turkish coffee? It's just really interesting to me. It's a really fascinating method of brewing 90 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,760 coffee. I found out about Turkish coffee and how to brew it from a friend of ours. She lived in 91 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:13,120 Yugoslavia before like that whole war thing, fucking ruined it. Her war stories are very 92 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,720 interesting, but moved over here to the United States. And that is a common way in Croatia, 93 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:25,040 Bosnia, former Yugoslavia to brew your coffee is in the Turkish style. Can I say that in looking 94 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:32,880 for this coffee, I found Bosnian coffee, Croatian coffee, Lebanese coffee. I found so many different 95 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:39,840 coffees. I could not find fucking Turkish coffee for the life of me until I went to Mediterranean 96 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,160 Oasis in Riverville. Oh, I've been there. That place is cool. That place is awesome. If you've 97 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:49,360 never been to Mediterranean Oasis Mart in, or Oasis Mediterranean Mark, I don't know how, which way 98 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:56,400 it goes, but it's over by 75th and like Washington-ish, where Washington Street and Naperville is. 99 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,680 But yeah, Google it, go over there. It's a really cool store. Yeah. So they had proper Turkish coffee 100 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:07,840 and they had proper Turkish coffee brewers there. It was amazing. Yeah. Well, so what I found, how 101 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,760 I found out about it was my friend and I, or our friend and I went to this store, it's a Bosnian 102 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,440 store. I think it was in Carol Stream off of North Avenue. I just have to say I love ethnic grocery 103 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:26,960 stores and I'm so grateful to live in the Chicago area where we have just so many ethnic stores you 104 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,520 can go to. So fun. Within like a 20 minute drive of no matter where you are, you can hit like 105 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:37,840 15 different countries. Yeah, it's really cool. The stores. So it's very cool. So her and I had gone 106 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:45,360 there one day and we picked up all of these fun Bosnian foods and goods and one of them was coffee 107 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:51,280 and we went back to her house and she showed me how to brew Turkish style coffee, but like Croatian 108 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:57,760 style or Bosnian style Turkish coffee. So that has always been really cool to me. It's always stuck 109 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,640 with me as like just an interesting method of brewing. It's actually the oldest style of 110 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:07,840 brewing coffee. It's been around since coffee's been around because you need a way to brew it, 111 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:15,280 right? And back in the day, 14, 15, 1600s, you didn't have like paper filters and arrow presses or 112 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:21,200 a correg machine. Right. So the birthplace of coffee, we did an episode about this actually. 113 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,640 Marcus did an episode about Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee where he explored Jamaican 114 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:33,360 Blue Mountain coffee and the history of coffee. Baba Boudin. So that, if you guys want to listen, 115 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,240 it was episode 10 called Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee and it was released on April 5th of 2022. 116 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,520 You can go back and find that. It was a really interesting episode. Okay. So there's two common 117 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,000 mythological stories of the birth of coffee. The first one was the one that you really went into, 118 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,200 which was Caldy and his goats and the goats were, and this one is my favorite story because you 119 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,200 have these little goats and they're eating these red little coffee cherries and they're jumping all 120 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:03,520 over the place. That's really fun. Whimsical. Who doesn't love jumping goats? They're the best. 121 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,080 Well, this legend is just a little bit more boring. It has more of like a Moses type twist to it. 122 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,680 This guy, Sheik Omar and his people were exiled to the desert in Yemen. They're all starving. 123 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,920 They're having a really tough time. They find a shrub that has berries growing on it, these little 124 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:27,520 red berries, but they're kind of bitter and kind of hard. Let my people drink Joe. Yes. Thank you, 125 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:34,800 Marques. It should be like, give my people Joe. There it is. You can try it again if you want to 126 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:42,400 do a little cuteroo. Give my people Joe. There you go. So yeah, so they're starving. They find 127 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,400 these shrubs. They've got these little berries growing on them. They're kind of bitter and hard. 128 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:54,560 So what they decided to do was roast them. Like you do. Like you do. And then soak them in water 129 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:59,600 to soften them, to try to make them taste better. There's a lot of holes in this story. 130 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:06,640 The brown liquid tasted good and it was invigorating. I just don't think that you go 131 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:12,160 out into the wild, the desert, you're in exile. You come across a berry bush and you're like, 132 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,800 you know what? What I need to do is take this red part off, take these little seeds. I need to 133 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,760 roast them and then I need to soak them. Something doesn't add up here. Does coffee grow in the 134 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:34,480 desert? Yeah. I assume Yemen and Ethiopia is desert, but I don't know. That's a great question 135 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:41,680 because typically we think of it growing on these lush verdant mountain sides. Right. Well, look, 136 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:47,040 I didn't make up this myth. I just read about it. And thank you. We'll add one more point to the 137 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,640 bullshit. Those are like a couple of the mythological stories. I'm partial to the 138 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:59,760 goat stories of Ethiopia, but the first written record of coffee is from the 1400s in Yemen 139 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:06,640 monasteries. Yes. Yes. I remember this. Yemen had a really important trading port. This one that 140 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,520 we've talked about, you've probably heard of it in the South by the Red Sea. It was the port of Mocha. 141 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:21,120 So Yemen used to be a part of the Ottoman Empire. Do you know how fucking long the Ottoman Empire 142 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:29,440 went for? World War II. Not quite that long. It was founded in 1299, ended not until 1923. Wow. 143 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Yeah. So World War I. A really long time. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was founded by this guy named 144 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:41,680 Osman the first with one goal, time to take over the world. And he had this sidekick named pinky. 145 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:50,080 Are you kidding? Okay. You got me. You got me. That was good. 146 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,320 So one fascinating thing about the Ottoman Empire, the Ottomans were Muslim, 147 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,640 but they were super successful at their takeover of the world because they just let people kind of 148 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,640 do what they wanted to do. They didn't try to change people's religions. They didn't try to 149 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:13,120 change the way they ate. They didn't try to come in and make new rules about customs or clothing 150 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:20,880 or how they operated. Looking at the Ottoman Empire maps, it's all surrounding seas, all those 151 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:27,120 seas, like the Black Sea, the Red Sea, the Caspian Sea, the Mediterranean Sea. It just loops around 152 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:32,880 all of these seas and goes up and down the sides of them. So really the Ottoman Empire was mostly, 153 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,360 they were concerned with controlling the trade routes. And so it didn't really matter to them 154 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,520 what people did as long as they could control those trade routes and make that money. 155 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,800 If they were actually interested in conquering people or taking over their resources and things 156 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,840 like this, you would see them kind of conquering further inland. But everything just stayed very 157 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,760 much close to the seas. Interesting. Yeah, so I think that's probably why they lasted so long too 158 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:05,760 because they come in, they fight, you're like, all right, fine. But they didn't make people's lives 159 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,760 terrible. They're like, the king is dead, long live the king. Just keep paying your taxes, 160 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:17,280 we're good, you guys do your thing. And the taxes just, it's like, who do you write the checks out 161 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:23,440 to? Right. Right, now it's just going to the Ottoman king instead of fucking whoever. 162 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:29,200 One would imagine that more trade would be good for everyone. Right. Yeah, that's true too. Like 163 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,280 all of the merchants along the way and all of the people. Did they own the Silk Road? 164 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,160 I didn't look into that. That's such a very specifically random question. 165 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:48,400 Anyway, so at one point it encompassed the area of 43 modern day countries. Wow. That's a lot. 166 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,320 I mean, I went all- European countries are so tiny. Yeah. Well, they didn't actually get into 167 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:58,560 Europe too far. I mean, I guess they were kind of Luxembourg. It's like the size of Aurora. 168 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,720 Italy, there's like 13 countries back then. Well, they didn't get up that far into Italy. 169 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:12,960 They were like the northern edge of Africa. They were like down like the edge of like Saudi Arabia 170 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,920 and like Jordan. Oh, sure. They were like, and then they went up a little bit. They cover the 171 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,440 Middle Eastern peninsula. Well, they do that, but not all of it because they didn't have all of 172 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Saudi Arabia. They only had the strip that goes along the sea. Yeah. Like I said, they were not 173 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,520 concerned with like whatever was going on away from the sea. Most of present day Turkey. Oh, 174 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:36,960 all of Turkey. Then they also went a little bit north. They went almost as far north as Austria, 175 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,800 but same thing. They're looping around these seas, right? They go up into like almost to Russia, 176 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Ukraine, Kazakhstan, all of where Yugoslavia used to be, all of that area. Crazy. Which is 177 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:59,920 interesting because all of these areas drink like Turkish style coffee is still like a common way 178 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:06,640 of brewing coffee today. And it was all spread by the Ottoman Empire. Really fascinating. It is 179 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,840 fascinating. The only thing is that like the Ottoman Empire, they were like kind of fucked up 180 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:17,600 towards the end at least. So like Armenia, I didn't know this, but like right before the fall of the 181 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,760 Ottoman Empire, they had a huge genocide. Do you guys know about the Armenian genocide? Yeah. 182 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:30,160 They're still kind of salty about it. A hundred, 1.5 million Armenians were murdered from 1914 to 183 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:36,080 1923 when the Ottoman Empire collapsed. Yeah. They call it Armenian coffee, but it's like, 184 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,760 it's Turkish coffee, but they don't call it Turkish coffee. Also Greece doesn't call it Turkish coffee 185 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:51,840 because Turkey tried to invade the island. What island was it? Oh, here it is. Lesbos. So they 186 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:58,560 didn't, they didn't, Greece doesn't want to call it Turkish coffee either. They stopped calling it 187 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:06,400 actually very recently in like the 1980s because in 1974 Turkey was like, the island of Cyprus is ours. 188 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,960 And Greeks like, fuck you. No, it's not. It's ours. It's been ours for a while. And Turkey's like, 189 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:16,720 no, give it to us. So they invaded. And then, yeah. So the island of Cyprus was like under Turkish 190 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,160 control and now it's back to Greece control. But anyways, Greece was super mad about it. In the 191 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,440 seventies? Seventies, 1974. It's fucking crazy. I know it's very recent. The Turks were like, 192 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,200 we're going to fight you for this island. I guess. I don't know what's up with that island. Do they 193 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,240 call it Greek coffee? Yeah. So the Greek call it Greek coffee. Armenians call it Armenian coffee. 194 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,560 It's probably become like more common anyways, as like we've gotten further away from the 195 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,960 Ottoman Empire that they'll just call it whatever. Well, it's funny because when I was in the 196 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Mediterranean Oasis store, the guy behind the counter, he was like, oh, you got to try Albanian 197 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,920 coffee next. And I was like, yeah. And I was at this other store and I learned about Bosnian coffee 198 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:59,760 and Greek coffee. And he was like, they're not as good. He was dead serious. He's like, 199 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,760 it's probably all the same fucking coffee. But he was like, you know, fuck Greek coffee. 200 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:09,440 I mean, none of these places are growing coffee. They're just brewing it. Right. That's a very 201 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:16,160 fair point and good observation. And they're all brewing it the same way. And it's like, so like, 202 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:21,360 same coffee. Maybe it's like roasted in each of these countries and like ground, but yeah, 203 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:28,080 it's not grown there. It's all that. It's just a fucking, it's just a brewing method that like, 204 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,920 they don't want to call Turkish style. They want to call it Greek style. They want to call it 205 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,640 Armenian style, whatever they want to do. I'm excited that we maybe have like seven more 206 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:45,040 episodes based on this one run to the grocery. Yeah. Nope. Tastes the same. Yep. Greek. All the 207 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:53,040 same. All the same fucking coffee. What do we need like a, like Ottoman war, like war room coffee. 208 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,200 Yeah. This could be, this could be on our love it or leave it on Patreon. We're just going to have 209 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:03,040 a whole series of Ottoman Empire. It's going to be the war of the Ottoman Empire coffees. Awesome. 210 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,680 I'm so glad you brought that up because if you want to follow that, just head on over to 211 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,160 patreon.com forward slash no bad reviews pod. And you can follow the action there. 212 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,960 It's a, it's really warring there. It's a real war situation. Who's going to win? I don't know, 213 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,960 but we'll tell you if we love it or leave it. Yeah. So anyways, yeah. So that's kind of 214 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:29,040 interesting. The Ottoman Empire, it fell though. Uh, like Marcus mentioned right around world war 215 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:36,560 one, uh, due to just mismanagement. You know, I feel like, first of all, that entire time period, 216 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:44,800 like of our grandparents, kind of unpleasant. Was there a good year? I don't fucking know. 217 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,840 You had war, you had great depression, then you had some more war, then you had the fucking cold 218 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,800 war, then you had the fucking Korean war, then you had the fucking Vietnam war. Maybe there's 219 00:21:54,800 --> 00:22:01,600 just always a lot of war, but that particular early, like pre 1950s time does not seem like 220 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,840 a great time. You had the industrial, the depression though. That shit was hot. I don't know, 221 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:11,520 because like industrial revolution, like there were no fucking labor laws, no, like children 222 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:18,880 were dying in fucking factory fires. I digress. The roaring twenties though. Wasn't there like a 223 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,560 fun year? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, you had like one good year. You know, 224 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,840 the roaring twenties was hot. I think it was one singular good year, but even like prohibition, 225 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:33,360 right? Like, I don't know. I mean, prohibition sounded like a lot of fun because it sounded 226 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:38,400 like people were drinking more than ever during the prohibition, just in speakeasies. It did seem fun. 227 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,360 It did seem fun. Cocaine was legal. That was probably still in the twenties. I don't remember. 228 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:47,680 You're the one who did that research. I know, but I can never remember things. Okay. So the only good 229 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:54,320 thing about the early 1900s was cocaine and flapper girls. In the fall of the Ottoman Empire. 230 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:02,240 I guess in the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Yeah. So the Ottoman Empire falls, mismanagement internally, 231 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,560 like corruption, whatever. We've seen it a thousand times in government. I wonder when ours is going 232 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:19,760 to fall. Anyways, so talking about Turkish style coffee. So what we have here is what is often called 233 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:32,000 outside of Turkey, an ibrik. Love it. But in Turkey, it's called a çezve. A çezve. Can I just show you 234 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:40,160 really quickly? I tried to look up how to pronounce çezve. Can I? I'm fucking bold here. This is how 235 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,280 it's fucking phonetically pronounced. Those aren't even fucking English letters. Tell me. 236 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,520 How does that fucking help? That's not helpful. And like look it up on some like pronunciation 237 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,080 website and it has these characters that aren't English. I don't know what that fucking means. 238 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:03,840 I don't, is that Turkish? No, I don't think it's Turkish. I think that there's another alphabet 239 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:11,280 for people who are like scientists of pronunciation. Sanskrit. 240 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:18,640 Maybe. So anyways, this vessel, it's this çezve. We can call it a çezve since we're talking about 241 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:26,480 Turkish coffee. It's like a pot. It has a spout. It has like a wider bottom and then it kind of 242 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,320 angles upward a little bit and then it has a handle. And it kind of looks like a milk, 243 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:38,160 like a smaller version of like one of those milk steamer cups, right? Yeah, yeah. Like for coffee. 244 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:44,160 Yeah, right. The handle is extremely long. It's like a long straight handle that's like six 245 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:50,240 inches long on this tiny cup. Yeah, this is like the OG coffee brewing method. So I think that's 246 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,920 kind of cool that this has lasted now. What like, I don't know. How many thousands of years? No, 247 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:03,360 it's just hundreds of years. Round it up. A thousand years. A hundred years, fifteen hundreds. 248 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:09,680 This is when they, you know, fourteen, fifteen hundreds first recorded by paper maybe earlier. 249 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,840 Anyway, so what you do is you take this pot, you put your coffee grounds in there, finely ground, 250 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,920 you fill it with water and then you put it over a flame and then it cooks and it boils and it foams 251 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,960 up and then when it all settles down, you let it settle to the bottom and then you just pour the 252 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,040 brewed coffee off the top. And this guy at the grocery store, he was actually telling me, he's 253 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,160 like, you have to, there's gonna, it's gonna be, it's gonna boil up and create a foam and he's like, 254 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,120 you have to share the foam equally amongst all the people drinking it too. That's part of the 255 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:49,280 technique. And, uh, did he recommend that gold one or did you just pick that one? I picked that one 256 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,880 because I felt there was like the highest quality one. He's like, you picked the right one. 257 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,920 Where are you? Where are you learning all this good stuff to pick out? Because I also got Turkish 258 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:05,520 Delights too. Oh, we're going to do Turkish Delights on Love It or Leave It. Oh, fun. Yay. 259 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,880 So we'll find out if those are any good. Um, and, uh, he's like, what, what internet site you see 260 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,240 that tells you these good things? And I was like, no, we have a podcast. 261 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,160 We're very smart about coffee things. I'm like, we're huge in the Fox Valley. We have like 262 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,520 at least a hundred listeners. And he was like, you tell me, I put it on my website. 263 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:34,400 Really? Yeah. He's like, he's all about it. Cool. So Mediterranean Oasis, Naperville. 264 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,040 We better clean up our language then. Yeah. And maybe he's not going to love your accent. 265 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,840 No, he's like, it sounds just like me. I don't know. You sound like a 266 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:53,120 Seinfeld character, but I'm not sure which one. Anyway, so I just reel it back a little bit, 267 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,720 but you're right. Marcus is a character. Should we brew some coffee? No, we're going to talk about 268 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,400 this a little bit more. So we've got the birth of Turkish coffee. It was, um, invented. I don't know 269 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,600 if that's the right word, but discovered, cultivated, I don't know, whatever documented, 270 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,400 1555. There was an Ottoman government governor of Yemen who was like, all right, so we've got this 271 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:21,360 coffee. Super good. We got to figure out how to make it. His name was as Demir Pasha. Um, 272 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:26,320 and under his rule, he was the one who figured out roast those beans over a fire, finally grind 273 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:34,560 them and then slowly cook them in hot water. Uh, he shared this method with the Sultan Suleiman, 274 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,840 the magnificent. He expanded the Ottoman empire more than anybody else did. And he became a 275 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,000 fucking governor in the Ottoman empire, like before his dad died, you know, before he was 276 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:51,520 about to take over 17 years old. What the fuck? Who gives a 17 year old like a fucking governorship? 277 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:58,640 I mean, I guess he had, yeah, right. But he was like very well educated. And one of his education, 278 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,640 part of his education was like military, how to be a good military guy. Um, so he was able to go out 279 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,880 like super organized, great military. I mean, considered to be great. I don't think that killing 280 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:18,240 people is ever great, but you're a girl. So what do you know? Yeah, exactly. Thank you. Um, thank 281 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,040 you for making it okay for me to like feel comfortable and not being comfortable with war. 282 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,360 Um, so yeah, so he, but he was like totally into it. So here he hits the one who spread the, 283 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:38,160 this coffee and this Turkish method that was invented by Pasha. He spread that shit throughout 284 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:45,520 all of the Ottoman empire. Now everybody is using the Chesva and yeah. And the super finely ground 285 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:52,320 coffee. That's cool. Um, coffee brewing at this time, like the, the second half of the 1500s 286 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:59,360 was super ritualistic. It could sometimes involve 40 people to properly pull off a coffee brewing 287 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,400 ceremony. Like they weren't just brewing coffee. They were like lighting incense. They were 288 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,160 getting out the Turkish delight. They were, um, everybody had to have rosewater perfume and smell 289 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,960 good. So they made it like a big, huge fucking to do. I think I would hate that. I think I would 290 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,320 just be like so irritated. Can I just drink the fucking coffee? Yes. Give me my fucking. Yeah. 291 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,720 Could you imagine waking up in the morning and having to wait for this whole entire fucking 292 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:32,960 production before you can drink your coffee in three hours? Or maybe they had 40 people putting 293 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,960 it together so they could get it done like really fucking fast. Like let's go. Right. Um, so this is 294 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,960 how they flavored it. They were using mastic, not the kind that you use on bathroom tiles. 295 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,400 It's a, it's an evergreen that grows in the Mediterranean. So they take the sap. So it's 296 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,920 going to be a little, you know, evergreeny. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Sure. If you think that's gross, 297 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,840 let's keep going. Uh, cardamom, cardamom. Oh, I like cardamom. Yeah. Sure. Do you, have you heard 298 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,200 of Amber grease? Yes. If you have, don't say it. Don't say what it is. Cause I'm going to fucking 299 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:15,520 horrify you. Oh, are you talking about the whale? No, I don't know what Amber greases. Can you tell 300 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,080 me about it? Amber grease. What is it? What could it be? Are we going to taste it today on the show? 301 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:27,200 It's really illegal. No. Anyway, so Amber grease, for those of you who don't know, and I was, 302 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:36,080 did not know, and I came to be horrified. It's a solid, waxy, flammable, um, substance. I, 303 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,160 reading this, I'm like, Oh, that doesn't sound so bad. It sounds like, like mer or frankincense or 304 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:48,000 something. Um, it's a black or it's like, can be gray or blackish. It's a produced in the digestive 305 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,640 system of the sperm whale. Yes. Formed via secretion of the bile duct in the intestines of the sperm 306 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,880 whale. That's fucking disgusting. I'm trying to remember how I know about this. I know about it 307 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:09,920 not firsthand on our last trip to the ocean. They were like, Oh, you can find blobs of Amber grease. 308 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,760 Like, and if you do, like you just got lucky worth more than gold or something. Yeah. It's worth a 309 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,400 ton. Well, Amber grease used to be not, I mean, I think it's always been worth something, but it 310 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:26,160 used to be incredibly, incredibly common. Um, freshly produced Amber grease has a, like a marine 311 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:34,080 shit smell. Sounds great. Um, as it ages though, it acquires like a sweet earthy scent. Um, 312 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,400 it's, I don't know if this is a very good, I saw this on Wikipedia. It's like, it smells kind of 313 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,960 like isopropyl alcohol without the vapor chemical astringency. I don't know what that is. I heard 314 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:55,760 it's good carrier for like cologne. It used to be really popular back in the day. Yeah. It's, um, 315 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,360 so it is, was used and still can be found in perfumes today as a matter of fact, 316 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,720 cause it has kind of a musky scent to it. Um, it can be found floating in the sea, 317 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,040 washed up on the coastlines. Also, it can be found in dead whales, whether naturally dead whales or 318 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:20,080 hunted dead whales. And that's why it's illegal now in the United States because of overhunting of 319 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:26,160 the whales back in the day. You know how they do. So this is what Amber grease has been used for 320 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:33,680 incense in ancient Egypt, cigarettes in modern Egypt. Oh, interesting. Yeah. That's the, well, 321 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,560 this is what the internet tells me. Um, I've not fact checked myself, but I'm assuming the internet 322 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:45,040 is correct. Uh, perfumes and fragrances, like we said, it was used in this Turkish coffee back 323 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,960 in the day for flavor. Put it in the coffee. They would put it in the coffee. Yeah. Disgusting. 324 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:59,760 Bulletproof. Well, coffee. That's awesome. Um, it's called beluga proof. 325 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:11,760 I would think like sperm proof. Or is that a different type of, um, also they used to add it 326 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,360 to hot chocolate in Europe. There's also a cocktail that you can make with Amber grease 327 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:24,240 that includes rum, almonds, cloves, Cassia, and orange peels. Gross. Marcus. I'm delighted. 328 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,960 This sounds great. Let's try it. Yeah. Disgusting. Um, during the black death, 329 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,840 Europeans thought carrying a ball of it around would keep away the plague. 330 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:39,440 Willing to try. They were, I think that they were willing to try then too. Yeah. And now the last, 331 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:47,840 my favorite, least favorite, uh, eggs and Amber grease was King Charles II of England's favorite 332 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:55,040 dish. So gross. I'm really curious about this stuff. I wish we had a little ball of it so I could 333 00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:02,320 like smell it. I would probably vomit. Right. I, I, that in oak moss is another ingredient that's used 334 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,440 in like old perfume making. I'm like, I want to get my hands on like the hot shit, the hot old shit 335 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,880 shit. Literally. But Amber grease is like cholesterol or something like that. It's like a 336 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,720 waxy substance. Except for, you know, it's just made of shit. No, it's not shit. It's like bile. 337 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:22,880 Yeah. It's throw up. It's made in the bile ducts. It's passed the same way as shit. It 338 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,920 chart plant. It goes and travels through the intestines and goes out the butt, out the butt, 339 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,320 or up the stomach or up the stomach. Exactly. Vomited. I'm not about to judge. Anyway, if it 340 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,200 smells good, I'll put it on me. So wait, it really goes either way. Like it can. So like if it can 341 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,240 cause a blockage, if it's too big and it'll cause an intestinal blockage, it'll come up out through 342 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:48,480 the mouth of the whale. But typically it'll just travel through the intestines is and come out as 343 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,800 poop. It's illegal in the U S Australia and India. Okay. Those are the only three countries where 344 00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,800 it's illegal. But if you find it on the shore. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's like the trading 345 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,600 of it. Like, like from like killing whales and trading it. If you find it on the shore, like 346 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:11,840 that's fine. Cause I just learned, sorry, this is a side tangent here, but I just learned that if you, 347 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,200 if a golden eagle or a bald eagle drops a feather, you are not allowed to touch it. It's illegal. 348 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:23,120 I just found out. That seems ridiculous. I think so too. Who's going to, who's going to tell on you 349 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,360 though? You're not allowed to trade it. You're not allowed to possess any part of an eagle unless 350 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,160 you're a native American. It's illegal. It's a protected species. Interesting. All right. Well, 351 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:39,840 next time I find one, I won't tell anyone. Um, the taste is described as earthy, musky, sweet briny, 352 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:47,840 like a sea briny. Um, and has like, and has like a concentrated sea smell. Oh, I would eat it. I'd 353 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:54,560 try it. I'm sure. Spoon, just a spoonful of ambergris. I feel like it sounds kind of like a raw oyster 354 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,800 because they can be a little sweet and briny, right? I don't know. I've never tried one. 355 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:06,720 You've never had, is that a surprise to you? I'm sorry. I was, I'm sorry. I'm like, if you don't 356 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:17,360 know me by now, you will never, never, never know me. Eggs, ambergris, oysters, coffee. Like this is breakfast of champions. 357 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,920 This all sounds great. Sure. Let's do it. Well, sadly for you guys, there used to be a, um, 358 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,920 a restaurant in New York city that is now closed, but they used to have a hot chocolate, um, 359 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,560 ambergris hot chocolate on their menu as recently as 2016. When I read about it, 360 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,240 really recent. So you don't, there might be hope for you guys. There might be another little, 361 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,680 some place in this country that we call home that you might be able to maybe in Aurora, 362 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:50,880 maybe I'll find some ambergris online. Maybe. Well, I'm not trying that for lever to leave it. I will quit. 363 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:57,840 Just a whole thing. You can't quit because we'll do a podcast like twice a year without you motivating us. 364 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,200 I'll quit for that day. I'll quit and come back. Okay. Um, so anyway, so that's about ambergris. 365 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:12,080 I found it to be incredibly fascinating, um, and disgusting. So coffee brewing at this time, um, 366 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:21,440 under Sultan Suleiman was, uh, so popular that they in fact had a chief coffee maker. It was an official 367 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:28,880 government position. Um, and it was like such an important position that you could like move up 368 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:34,880 to grand vizier and a grand vizier is basically like the, the Sultan's right-hand man or like a 369 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,400 governor, like, like you're in the court, you're like a top dog, you're right-hand man, you're 370 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:46,640 like a top dog, you're right next to Suleiman. And I found that to be pretty fascinating that 371 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:53,760 just like a barista could make it. Right. You're like literally one of the 12 most important people 372 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,720 in our country. Yeah. If you're brewing good coffee in our empire. Yeah. Right. It should be, 373 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:04,640 I feel like. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, you got to know how to balance like that Mastic and ambergris. 374 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,960 Not anybody can do that. Can you imagine if like the cabinet of the United States, it was like, 375 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,880 this is our department head of coffee making. I mean, we could get rid of one of those. 376 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,200 Buttigieg is now the department of coffee. Like baristas across America. It's like, 377 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,720 if you win the SCA barista championship, you get to get promoted into the government. Right. 378 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:31,760 In the government position. Yeah. I feel like there's like cabinet member we could get rid of, 379 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,640 we could replace. Like, what do we not need? Department of. Energy. If I can cut that. Right. 380 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,800 Right. I think that like, you know what, if we had more baristas in government, I mean. Yeah. 381 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,240 I think it would be. That could be really good for us. DOC. Department of coffee. Department of 382 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:54,800 coffee. It's too close to the one that we don't like. Oh, department of corrections. Yeah. 383 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:03,200 So then just, this whole popularity thing started to get a little out of control according to one 384 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,760 guy a hundred years later, this guy, the grand vizier Kaprulu. He was like, basically as far 385 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:15,600 as I can tell some conservative religious dude, like we all know the type. He thought people are 386 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:21,520 having a little too much fun, not doing enough religion. And he was like, let's bring, make 387 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:30,640 everyone miserable to bring them closer to God. And so he outlawed coffee. Really? Well, he tried. 388 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:37,040 He was not super successful. Basically the ruling class was like, and of whom he was a part. He was 389 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,520 like, Oh, these people, they're just like sitting around and socializing all day. We don't want them 390 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:48,880 talking and forming a revolution against us. So like an organizing and overthrowing the government. 391 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,720 But like, I feel like the Ottoman Empire's like whole thing of like, just like be chill was working 392 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:02,480 really well. I'm pretty sure this guy was just some sort of like religious conservative control 393 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,560 nut. And like I said, we all know the type. So there was like a couple of different, it was like 394 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,800 the penalties were a little unclear, just chop off people's heads who drink it. Oh my God. A death 395 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,480 penalty for drinking coffee. Well, uh, yeah, it's a little extreme, right? The other punishments that 396 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,520 I saw about the first offense, you'd be beaten severely with a cudgel. What the fuck? What's a 397 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,160 cudgel? That's the one with the hammer, right? Right. Isn't it the spiky one? Yeah, I think so. 398 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,880 A meat tenderizer. That's what I thought. Let's double check. That's a cudgel. 399 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,920 It's a wooden meat tenderizer. Yeah, basically that's it. It's like a stick with something like 400 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,520 really uncomfortable and awful at the end. Geez. Second offense, you'd be sewn into a leather bag 401 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,840 and then thrown into a river. Seems very, both of the, all of it seems very extreme. Yeah. 402 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,200 Basically though, like my thought is like, fuck man, if you were afraid of being overthrown, 403 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,960 having the government overthrown before this, I mean, I would start to probably worry more now. 404 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,240 Like you're actually pissing people off. Yeah. Yeah. As far as I can tell, this didn't last very long. 405 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,000 What happened to that guy? Yeah, it just- He's the one that needs to get killed. Yeah. It just 406 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,320 basically got, it didn't really fly. I think probably nobody wanted to enforce this. Right. 407 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,040 So I think it was just this fucking crazy ass guy coming up with shit and everybody's like, 408 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,800 yeah, okay, man. Okay. Yeah, whatever. We'll do whatever you say. Toss him in a 409 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,320 leather bag or whatever. So anyways, that got turned around really quickly and everybody went 410 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:43,440 back to drinking coffee. Great. Just a little fun facts about the first coffee houses. This is really 411 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:51,600 fun. So back, the first ever coffee house open in Istanbul around what, Marcus? I heard Istanbul 412 00:41:51,600 --> 00:42:02,400 was Constantinople. You're about to break out in song. Sorry. Thanks, Marcus. So yeah, so the first 413 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,320 one, it was around the same time that Pasha figured out this way of brewing coffee. And so 414 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,880 he figures out how to brew coffee. Everybody's like, oh hell yes, we need a place to gather 415 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,600 and drink this coffee. Coffee houses started springing up all over the places. At first, 416 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,680 they were just to serve their neighborhoods. Everybody would just kind of leave their house. 417 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,640 It'd be like a coffee house every block or whatever. Like pubs to the Irish. Yeah, exactly. 418 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,680 So then the coffee houses, they started serving certain clientele. So they had like firemen, 419 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:39,440 like the fireman's coffee house or the storytellers coffee house or my favorite, the opium smokers 420 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:46,640 coffee house. That sounds like kind of fun. Like smoke some opium, drink some coffee, just sit around 421 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,560 and chill all day. This feels very D and D. Like did they have like an adventurer's coffee house 422 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,640 and the bard's coffee house? Sure. Like whatever suits your fancy, there was like a gathering 423 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,440 place for everybody. It was really cool. I love this. I know if you're smoking opium, 424 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,800 you were deaf. That was like the wizard's house. Yeah, they were definitely getting deep about some 425 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:17,680 shit for sure. Right. Long ass beards, pointy hats. So opium was fine. Coffee. Yeah. I mean, 426 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:23,440 I think like in this, I mean, come on. I mean, you think of Afghanistan and their opium and 427 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:30,000 then that's just like, okay, so thinking about recently, I heard about Michael Pollan, 428 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,200 Pollan, whatever his name is. He wrote a book about caffeine consumption. And basically the idea is 429 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:41,680 in like coffee consumption, like what's the big deal about an addiction? And if it's not like 430 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,800 really harming anything, like if you have a constant supply of opium and you take a little 431 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,160 toke of opium to get through the day, what's the big deal? Michael Pollan says it's cool. He says 432 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,320 opium is totally cool. So stay tuned guys for our love it or leave it. Eat plants, 433 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:05,040 that's what it is. We'll smoke some opium. Eat food, mostly plants, toke some opium. 434 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,800 I've always been a fan of this. I feel like that would solve a lot of problems 435 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,440 just in general for society. Well, I mean, like you do have to consider like when people don't 436 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:25,120 have access to illegal drugs, they're going to like resort to illegal activities to get illegal 437 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:31,200 drugs. Like it's like caffeine, like the premise of his book actually was like, is coffee that bad? 438 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,560 And is it coffee addiction that big of a deal? And the whole thing was like, no, because coffee is 439 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,760 like helps people be productive. It's readily available. Like nobody's going out and robbing 440 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,960 people so that they can get a cup of coffee. But if you made coffee illegal, then you would see 441 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,000 people like jonesing and needing their coffee. Productivity would suffer. Like there's so many 442 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:59,760 benefits. I mean, I don't know. Anyways, opium was totally fine back in the day. And I think in a lot 443 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,960 of countries, people do smoke opium still. I don't know though. I don't know. Anyways, that's just me 444 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,840 making shit up because I think I saw something once in like a travel show. I'm fairly certain opium is 445 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,200 popular still. I think some places it's fine. I wish it was more popular here. I don't know why 446 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:21,200 we need heroin and fentanyl. I don't know why we can't just smoke opium. Yeah. It's pretty delightful. 447 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,840 Well, yeah, I've never smoked opium. I did have fentanyl because of my thumb. And I can say that I would 448 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,360 highly recommend fentanyl. That was delightful also. Yeah, I would say. I would recommend it maybe 449 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,240 though if it's prescribed by a doctor. I think anybody. If you can find somebody on the street 450 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:43,600 with fentanyl, that's the good shit. I haven't seen opium in a few decades. And now I'm kind of amazed 451 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:50,880 that I've ever seen it because where is it? Why? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, 452 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:57,520 it seems like a gentler version of heroin. Yeah, it's classy. They could throw that in a vape 453 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,600 cartridge. Can you imagine? That would be the way to go. It tastes great in a vape cartridge. Right. 454 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:08,880 Holy shit. I think we've just done something here. That's mine. That's my idea. Don't take it. That's fine. 455 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,560 Do you want to end on Marcus's new business idea? Because I'm not a part of any more. 456 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:19,920 I'm just going to hang out near Marcus and help with the testing, product development, et cetera. 457 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:30,480 Gosh. All right. Let's bring it back, you druggies. All right. So also some fun things. Some of these 458 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:38,720 coffee houses had music and dance and story resuscitations. It's exactly like a fucking 459 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:45,040 coffee house out of the 1990s. It's great. Where you would just go and there'd be open mics. People 460 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,440 get up there with their fucking acoustic guitars. Like an episode of Friends. Yeah, it's great. 461 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,160 That's funny. You're talking about the 90s, but I was totally imagining the beatniks in like, 462 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,840 what, 50s, 60s? Well, it's been around a long time, these beatniks. Well, coffee has always 463 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:06,320 historically been, right? The cultural epicenter. People are drinking coffee and thinking and 464 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:12,160 debating and talking, right? And gathering. So I could also see that as being the people in 465 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,720 Parliament like, what the fuck are those people doing? All that gathering. What are they talking 466 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,160 about? Right. They got a lot of fucking things to say. Yeah, they're probably- 467 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,920 Better shut that shit down. It's probably true. Had the coffee house culture not been so strong, 468 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,720 that one dude probably wouldn't have been like, hey, what are you guys doing over there? 469 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:36,640 Yeah, exactly. Well, you can go to, even today. So in the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul, 470 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:43,200 there is, that, it sounds fucking cool. I want to go see this. It's basically like the world's 471 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:50,720 first shopping mall. Dates back to the 1400s. It's like an outdoor covered market. And there's like 472 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:56,720 a little family owned coffee shop there that was opened in 1909. And it set up just like the old 473 00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:02,400 school Ottoman coffee shops where, so you can like go in, you like sit on the same kind of stools at 474 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:08,240 the same kind of tables. They're preparing coffee in the old way. Like I said, a lot of these 475 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,800 countries that were under the Ottoman Empire still brew coffee in the Turkish style today. 476 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,200 But there's just like some variations regionally of how they're going to make it. 477 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,520 Some places will like make like a little paste before adding more water to it to brew. 478 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,040 So just like coffee grounds with a little water. Yeah. So they'll put the coffee grounds in the 479 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,920 bottom, make us paste, like heat that paste up till it becomes like pasty. And then they'll add 480 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,080 water and then mix it. Almost like, I'm thinking of like when you do a roux when you're cooking. 481 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,640 Some will start with the grounds mixed with cold water. Some will add the, like start boiling the 482 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:48,400 water, then add the coffee grounds. Different countries might use different spices, like some 483 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,120 little spice variations. Some will add more sugar. There's, there's just some like different regional 484 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:59,680 ways of making coffee. That's normal. I think when you have some place that's as big area wise, 485 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:08,080 also something that's super common is called Tassio mancy. So if we remember from tarot cards, 486 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,040 mancy means like divination. Basically it's like reading the coffee grounds. 487 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,520 So are we doing that today? I'm hoping we can. I looked up, I looked up like what all the things 488 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,080 mean. So I could do probably a really shitty coffee ground reading for us. Awesome. Nice. 489 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:32,080 Basically what you do is like, so like you're, this whole thing is like you're brewing the water and 490 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,080 the grounds together. There's no filtering. So when you pour it into your little cups, 491 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,160 like with like a little shot glass type thing, basically it makes like an espresso. 492 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,920 When you pour it into your cup, there's going to be some grounds at the bottom. You never finish 493 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,400 it all the way down. And then you just take them from your cup, dump them over on a saucer. 494 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,800 The Turkish tradition where you're doing is you're taking those coffee grounds, you're dividing it 495 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:59,120 into horizontal halves. So the symbols on the bottom are interpreted as messages regarding the 496 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:05,360 past and the symbols on the top half are messages regarding your future. There's like another way 497 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:11,360 some people would do it, like vertical halves for like yes or no answers with like the outcome of 498 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:19,600 events represented by symbols. Some believe that the cup is capable of revealing insights about the 499 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:26,320 past. But if you're trying to look into the future, you cannot go more than 40 days. That's it. 40 days. 500 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,240 That's all you get. You're not going that far. You've got to come back. It's an impressive forecast though. I mean, like 501 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:36,080 you think about the technology to get to even a 10 day forecast on weather. It's true. Like 40 days is impressive. 502 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:42,320 I have to agree with you. Yeah, that's a good point. So yeah, so I looked up a whole list of 503 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,760 the symbols for reading coffee. Shall we brew some coffee? Sure, let's do it. 504 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:54,640 Modest Coffee roasts the highest quality single origin coffees without the snobbery. They take 505 00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,720 the guesswork out of buying specialty coffee by carefully curating green coffees and sorting them 506 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:10,640 to one of their tiers based on cupping score, price, flavor notes, and roast level. Go to www.modest.coffee 507 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,160 forward slash no bad reviews to see what they're roasting today. Pip pip cheerio! 508 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,840 And we're back. All right, so I was thinking that I could just tell you a little bit about this company, 509 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,200 this Turkish Coffee Company really quick before we get started or before we do the olfactory reveal. 510 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,840 Let me. All right, so like Marcus said, we went to the Mediterranean Oasis Mart or Oasis, 511 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,640 Mediterranean, whatever. They have so much cool stuff there. They have like a little deli counter. 512 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,880 It's like a really cool store. They have so much stuff Mediterranean. I think in this area, 513 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,080 it's a really popular store for people who, for these people from the Mediterranean area. 514 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,840 Want some Turkish shit because I went to the international market. And like I said, 515 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,480 I had to go, I had to do some run around to find it. Yeah, Marcus really did. He went to the Nayeb 516 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,040 Mart over on the east side. Then he went to international market. Then he headed on over 517 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:05,680 to the Oasis Mediterranean market and he was successful. What a fun day. Yeah. So you know 518 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,560 what they had at the Nayeb Mart? Nescafe instant coffee. That was their only option. 519 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:17,360 That's not gonna fucking work. Maybe for a future episode, but not this one. This Turkish Coffee 520 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,640 Company, super cool looking canister. You said it was like legit. This one from fucking Turkey. 521 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,160 This is the one. Yeah. So this one, I looked up what's the most popular or iconic coffee company 522 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:35,600 for Turkey. This is Karoo Kebeki Mehmet Effendi. Look at me. I kind of nailed that right away. 523 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,840 It's Turkish coffee from the country of Turkey. It's such a fucking cool can. Isn't it cool? 524 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:52,080 So they are the oldest coffee company. They're founded in 1871 by Mehmet Effendi, part of this 525 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:59,120 name. The Karoo Kebeki is actually the last name that his sons took on. So it's their last name 526 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:05,200 and then his name combined into the name of this company. Cool. Basically they just wanted to 527 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:13,760 be fucking coffee company. So Mehmet Effendi, back in the 19th century, coffee beans were 528 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,800 generally sold raw and then roasted and people would roast them themselves at home. So I find 529 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,880 that to be kind of interesting. Everybody used to be a coffee roaster prior to 1871 basically. 530 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:32,480 Then 1871, he took over another family business and began roasting the raw coffee beans, grinding 531 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,440 them in his mortar and pestle. Oh gosh. I mean, could you imagine? Especially to that fineness, 532 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,240 but maybe that, I don't know, they're probably, that's just how they did it, I guess. 533 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,000 And then he would sell it, freshly roasted, ready ground, ready for people to just buy. 534 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,160 So of course people were like, fuck yes, thank you for doing all this work for us. 535 00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:00,240 It was so convenient. Then after he died in 1931, the business was passed to his three sons, Hasan, 536 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:07,200 Hussuli, and Ahmet. Their last name for some reason used to be Bey, like Beyonce. So maybe 537 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:13,760 it was pronounced B, I don't know. But they decided to take the name Karoo Kebeki. Like I said, 538 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:20,720 Keveci? Kev-V-C? I don't know. They already fucked this up, probably. So yeah, basically they were 539 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:25,440 just the ones though. They just kind of did their coffee thing. They also had traveled internationally. 540 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,840 His sons were internationally educated. I mean, we're talking about globalization. People are now 541 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,320 world traveling. They're getting exposed to what people are doing in other parts of the world. 542 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:41,360 They're learning new business practices. And so they brought all that back and decided to really 543 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:46,720 take this coffee company to the world stage and to really cement it. They're capitalists. 544 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:54,880 We know the old story of capitalism and capitalist coffee companies. So this is really cool. They're 545 00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:02,480 really into the art deco thing back in the 1930s. So you can see they had an artist make this art 546 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:09,440 deco style logo, which is really cool. It's like a human face, but with M's on it and he's holding 547 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:16,240 a little coffee cup. So it's really cool. And then they also designed a whole new roasting facility 548 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:21,120 and offices that were also in the art deco style. So they're super into it. That's fucking cool. 549 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:33,600 Yeah. So then the one son, Hussali Bey, he died in an untimely death. And it was passed down to 550 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:41,200 Mehmet Effendi's youngest son, Ahmet Riza. And he was the one who, like I said, they're educated 551 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:50,320 abroad. He was the most abroad of the sons. He's the one who introduced paper bags for this. He 552 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,520 also decided to start distributing to grocery stores. He was just driving them around in his car, 553 00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,840 just like we do. There you go. One thing that was revolutionary at the time, he was promoting 554 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,880 the company through posters and calendars. It wasn't something that they were really doing 555 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,920 back then, but yeah, they just had a whole fleet of automobiles, posters and calendars. 556 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:21,440 Cool. Yeah. Today, the company is still ran by Mehmet Effendi. So the OG guy back in 1871, 557 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,600 his grandchildren are still running the company, which I think is fucking cool. 558 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,400 That's crazy. That's cool. 559 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,480 Really fucking cool. It's now exported to 55 countries in Europe, America, Asia, Australia, 560 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,360 and Africa in this fancy can. Cool. 561 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,320 Yep. So that is it. But we'll do the official factory reveal. Are you ready? 562 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,760 Should I start the brewer now? Yeah, go ahead. We could probably start 563 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,000 brewing it now. What we're doing is like a one to 10 ratio. Looking online, some people are like 564 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,280 one to 12, one to nine, one to 16. So I did one to 10 because it was the easiest math. 565 00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:01,280 So we've got 350 grams of water and then we also have 35 grams of coffee. If you open it, 566 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000 this is what I find pretty interesting is that it's a really light roast. 567 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,720 I was wondering if it was because... It smells pretty good and it's arabica. 568 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,240 I was wondering if it was because it was vacuum sealed that it smelled so good. It smelled 569 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:21,200 really good when you open it. Oh my gosh, it's so finely ground like a powder. I assumed it would be 570 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,960 coarsely ground because it's being put directly in the water. I feel like this is going to be 571 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:32,640 really hard to separate. So I'm not sure why they do it finely ground. I probably could have 572 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,440 looked into that, but I did not think about it. You can feel it. It feels super powdery and fine. 573 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:44,000 Oh my gosh. This is really cool. It does feel like you press into it and it's like a cloud. 574 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,360 It's like that fake indoor sand or something. Yeah, kinetic sand. 575 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:55,040 Yeah, it's got a funny texture. It smells great and it is really light. 576 00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,480 So we're here. We're brewing it over my prepper stove 577 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,760 because we have an electric stove in our house. I tried once making 578 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,640 Turkish coffee on our electric stove and it didn't work very well. 579 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,240 Anyways, we got out the prepper stove and we're going to see how this works. 580 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:22,800 It doesn't... the grate for the prepper stove is too big for this thing to rest on, 581 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,760 so poor Marcus has to hold it. So yeah, basically what you do is you just hold the 582 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:35,200 chesvay over the... or ibrick, depending on where you are, and you hold it over the stove. 583 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,040 Yeah, he told me he's like, there's going to be foam, there's going to be boiling. 584 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,080 Everybody gets a little bit of foam and he's like, you can either drink it black 585 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,960 or you can put sugar in it. Did you buy the sugar cube? 586 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,280 I did. He didn't say anything about ambergris? 587 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,800 He said no ambergris. Okay. 588 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:57,040 He said that's a protected item. He's like, whatever you do, don't add ambergris. 589 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,600 Okay, just sugar. Yeah. So when... 590 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,840 Sugar or black? When I made it with our friend, 591 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:10,080 she had a very small one. It was like an espresso shot size and you would drop a sugar cube into it. 592 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,640 Mmm. Some places when I was doing my research... So basically, 593 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,640 a sugar cube is like... everybody gets a sugar cube almost basically wherever you are. 594 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,800 Oh, shit guys, it's boiling. Oh, is it? 595 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,080 It's boiling a little bit. I want to see. 596 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,080 Oh, it is. It's foaming. Oh, this is exciting. 597 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,760 Oh, so Marcus, basically how I was taught to do this is when it foams up and it almost... 598 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,440 it'll overflow, you just take it off and then that's when you know it's done. 599 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,560 When it starts to almost overflow. Oh, okay. 600 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,240 I'm watching it. This is so exciting. 601 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:45,360 I know it's very exciting. I'm getting a little nervous. 602 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,040 Wait, wait, it's okay. All right. 603 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,480 No, it's good. Now you're done. 604 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,440 Oh, boy. Whatever you're doing, 605 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,080 I don't know if I like this. This is why you need 37 more people in the room. 606 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,120 No shit. You guys are not kidding. 607 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,360 For real. But I do like the way that this coffee looks. 608 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,520 It is a lighter roast. It's fucking powder. 609 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,040 So crazy how powdery it is. It smells good. 610 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,720 It does smell good. I do like the way it smells. 611 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,520 I eat it. It's interesting that it's so 612 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,880 dark in the cup, but that's just because it's so strong. 613 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,280 Yeah, it's very concentrated. It's almost like the same strength that 614 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,960 like our cold brew is, which is two times a normal cup of coffee. 615 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,920 Yeah, so basically you're thinking espresso here. 616 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,600 Yeah. And typically you would 617 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,440 have sugar, you would have spices. I'm going to try it black first, but then 618 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,280 I'm definitely going to add some sugar because, you know, I want to do is the Turkish do. 619 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,360 Yeah. So questions about the way this is served. Is there not dairy in Turkey? 620 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,360 I mean, this seems like it would just, it's like perfect for cappuccino. 621 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,520 Yeah, it would lend itself to it, right? But apparently he said there's two ways 622 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,760 that you can drink this. Okay. 623 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,120 Black and with sugar. I mean, that's fine. 624 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:58,400 I'm just curious if there's like a reason why milk is not, like is dairy not a thing? 625 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,000 Right. Well, no, I think dairy is a thing 626 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,160 because you've got all sorts of delicious cheeses. 627 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,600 But like, how do you steam milk if you're just boiling it with a nebrik, right? 628 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,000 You probably are not serving it with steamed milk. 629 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,280 It says here Turkish coffee is traditionally made with water and 630 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,920 drunk without adding cream or milk. That's it. 631 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:21,920 Okay. It says you could, if you want, here's this idea. You could make it with milk instead of water. 632 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,440 So boil yourself some milk. So that's kind of an interesting, but it says right here, 633 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:33,840 putting this headline here says putting milk in Turkish coffee is completely fucking wrong. 634 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,520 You asshole. Okay. Okay. 635 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,520 I'm sorry, Wikipedia or whatever. That was roadsandkingdoms.com. 636 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,960 How do they feel about throwing whiskey in it? 637 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,680 Because I'm about to sack religion all over this Ramadan coffee. 638 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,120 That was my next question. 639 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:55,200 Well, I think the Muslim people would probably frown upon your consumption of alcohol, but I mean. 640 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,720 Three deep start in this episode. 641 01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:03,920 I'm not, look, this is, this is like, this is not a halal coffee podcast. 642 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,640 Yeah. 643 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:10,640 I'm not going to tell you what to do with your life. I am like the Ottoman Empire. You do you. 644 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,200 I love it. 645 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,480 Don't let me interrupt. 646 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,400 I want to say like, it's the professional coffee reviewer drinker in me. Love this. This is good 647 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,120 coffee. 648 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:19,840 Did you taste it? 649 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:25,360 I did. So essentially like, ebrik is cowboy coffee. You boil a coffee in the water and then 650 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:31,360 you pour it when you're out camping, right? Simple way to brew coffee. This is a very 651 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,760 old school way of brewing coffee and it's delightful. 652 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,320 It's the oldest school way of brewing coffee. 653 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,920 It's like, this is what they did back. This is the first way to brew coffee. 654 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,040 I also want to talk like, okay, this is something also. So when I went with our friend to the Bosnian 655 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,960 store, they also like sugar cubes are a thing in all the places that used to be a part of the 656 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,000 Turkish, I mean the Ottoman Empire. They're just so fucking cool because they're not like your 657 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:04,960 typical like perfectly squared domino sugar cube. It's like weird edges, not necessarily uniform. 658 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,800 Look on the box. It says traditional. 659 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,960 I mean, they look hand chopped or something. 660 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,680 Yeah, exactly. 661 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,440 How do you have traditional sugar cubes? I don't know what that is. 662 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,720 It's old enough to fucking have a tradition. 663 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,520 I also just love the art on the box. I mean, I know this is Arabic writing on this mountain, 664 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,000 but it does make it look like a smiley face. 665 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:24,500 Aw. 666 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,640 It's like happy juice. 667 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,680 It's kosher too. So like, this is like a very inclusive sugar cube. 668 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,080 So there is some place where the Jews and the Muslims get along. 669 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,120 Probably a coffee shop. 670 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,680 In a coffee shop, bonding over sugar. 671 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,880 I think I added two sugar cubes and that was one too many. 672 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,120 It's such a tiny cup. These cups are adorable. 673 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,920 So I expected it to be bitter a little bit and I don't think it is at all. 674 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,440 For how concentrated it is? 675 01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:57,940 Yeah. 676 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,480 Right. 677 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,880 It is a little sour, which is not surprising because it looks like such a light roast. 678 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:03,380 Yeah. 679 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:08,800 I do like it better with sugar. I like it. I like it, period. It's good. 680 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:14,000 I'm three quarters of the way through the cup and it's already like- 681 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:14,640 Getting gritty? 682 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,400 Gritty. Yeah. Yeah. Which I don't care for. 683 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,400 You're not supposed to drink it all the way down. 684 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:20,900 Right. 685 01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:22,720 Once it starts getting gritty, you're supposed to stop. 686 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:29,440 But this is an awful, such a tiny cup and look how much is left that I can't drink. 687 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:29,940 Let me see. 688 01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:32,240 Well, it's very concentrated. Do you want to sleep tonight? 689 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,040 Well, I mean, I have a big exciting party to go to first. 690 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:40,000 I did read something about when you're trying to read the coffee grounds that a lot of times 691 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,600 people will just let the coffee, the liquid dry out and however the coffee dries inside 692 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,240 the mug or the cup, it's a way to- 693 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,760 You got to wait to read that for them. 694 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,600 We might have to read them in a couple of weeks. 695 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,000 I don't know how I'm going to fit alcohol into this. 696 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,840 It's just going to be like, I keep sipping it and there's not a lot left. 697 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,720 I'm going to need like a tiniest little splash of alcohol. 698 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,200 Like a couple drops get an eyedropper. 699 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:05,700 Right. 700 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,240 We have a delightful new whiskey today too, but I don't need it. 701 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,320 I don't need it either. I feel like I don't, you know, I would drink this. 702 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,760 I see why it's popular. 703 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,260 Yeah. 704 01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:20,080 Right. Like super easy to drink black with the sweetness in it. 705 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:27,120 It's sort of, it almost gives me like a maple syrupy, you know, kind of like flavor to it. 706 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,680 I really enjoy this. 707 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:30,320 I see why. 708 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,360 I really enjoy this. I see why it's popular. 709 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,000 It's really good. 710 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,160 I mean, it stood the test of time. 711 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,480 I mean, 500 years, it's still going strong. 712 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,280 So I just finished my cup. 713 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:46,960 Can you read my fortune? 714 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:47,460 Yes. 715 01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:48,560 I'm going to spin it around for you. 716 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,840 Okay. Let me read your fortune. 717 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:50,720 Well, let's see here. 718 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:57,200 The bottom half is messages of your past and the top are messages regarding your future. 719 01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,520 Let's start with your past. 720 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,440 What do I think this looks like? 721 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,400 Does it look like a thumb? 722 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,000 I want more. Is there any more in there? 723 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,360 Yeah, there is. 724 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,520 I'm going to say this bottom half looks kind of like a bird. 725 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,760 All right. Okay. 726 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,240 So in your past, you had good luck and maybe a good journey. 727 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,320 But it's all behind you now. 728 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,920 Yep. But it's all behind you now. 729 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,760 I fucking knew it. I fucking knew it. 730 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,800 Let's see here. 731 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,200 This top, what could this be? 732 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:29,700 Bridge? 733 01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:31,840 This looks a little bit like a house or a bridge. 734 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:32,340 Yeah. 735 01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:32,840 There you go. 736 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:33,620 Let's see. 737 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,400 If we go on to go with house, it means you have business success in your future. 738 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,360 Definitely house. 739 01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,800 In the next 40 days even. 740 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,440 40 days? 741 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,520 Yeah. Get ready. 742 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,120 Good thing this didn't look like a kettle. 743 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,200 That means death. 744 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,560 Oh, fuck. Yeah. No, I'm glad. 745 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,240 That did not look like that. 746 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,480 It could also be a bridge. 747 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,920 And if it's a bridge, that means you're about to have a good journey. 748 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:00,560 That's cool too. 749 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,060 Yeah. 750 01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:02,080 You know, I'm good with that. 751 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,440 A lot of journeying. 752 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,400 You're possibly a good journey, good luck in your past, 753 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,200 and a good journey and business success in your future. 754 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:09,600 Cool. 755 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,280 Hey, you got a good old mug here. 756 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:11,360 Thanks, Jenny. 757 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:12,720 I would say it's more like a house though, 758 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,720 because it definitely looks like a chimney here. 759 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:15,120 Yeah. 760 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,040 Yeah. You got like a chimney house thing going on. 761 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,320 So yeah, you're going to have some business. 762 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,240 You got some business success in your future. 763 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,480 Well, you know, that sounds like a great review. 764 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,480 Who's this coffee for, guys? 765 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,120 Wait, wait, wait. 766 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,800 Steph's got to get to hers. 767 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,400 Yeah, I want my fortune told. 768 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,040 All right. 769 01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,040 It says, I'm having a real hard time here. 770 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,480 Well, what's going on in this? 771 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:37,840 Does hers look like a bat? 772 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,440 It kind of looks like an alien spaceship. 773 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:43,940 Ooh. 774 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,880 A saucer, a coffee saucer. 775 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,400 No, it's like a pyramid almost. 776 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,880 A pyramid has got to be good. 777 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,880 You are about to start selling essential oils. 778 01:07:59,200 --> 01:07:59,840 They have that? 779 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,520 Why don't we go with a pine tree? 780 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,360 I thought it was an Illuminati pyramid. 781 01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,320 I didn't realize. 782 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,320 No, just a pyramid scheme. 783 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,080 Oh, a mountain, a mountain. 784 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:14,560 Oh, that's what it is. 785 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:14,800 Okay. 786 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:15,280 It's a mountain, for sure. 787 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,640 In your past, you had a powerful friend. 788 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,280 Like a fucking dwarf or something? 789 01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,640 Like what the shit is that? 790 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,000 Gimli was your friend. 791 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,040 Once upon a time, you had- 792 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,560 You had a fucking ring to get rid of. 793 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,240 I'm racking my brain. 794 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,520 Who is your powerful friend? 795 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:32,000 You know what? 796 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,720 A friend from your past is going to come into power. 797 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:35,280 Oh. 798 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,320 It's going to be good for you. 799 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:37,440 The king under the mountain. 800 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:39,840 All right. 801 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,680 Let's see what's going on up top here. 802 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:42,320 A rainbow. 803 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,040 Am I gay? 804 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,160 Gandalf the White. 805 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,880 Am I going to be gay within the next 40 days? 806 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,360 I did not see that coming. 807 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:52,640 I mean- 808 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,960 You could be an ally in the next 40 days. 809 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:55,440 Finally. 810 01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,440 I'm finally ready. 811 01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,120 No, I think you should be gay. 812 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:01,920 That'll be fun. 813 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,420 Yeah. 814 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:03,540 Together. 815 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,360 Hey, Steph. 816 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:07,680 Let's see here. 817 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,520 I feel like it says a rainbow, but there is no- 818 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,040 Maybe horseshoe, arches. 819 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:14,880 McDonald's. 820 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,240 Right. 821 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,520 It's only a haystack. 822 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,240 Is that on here? 823 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,280 Oh, a horseshoe. 824 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,080 Okay, we'll do that. 825 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:22,560 Okay. 826 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,400 You and your successful choice of a partner are going on a lucky trip. 827 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:27,840 I'm very excited about that. 828 01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:28,960 I can't wait to meet her. 829 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,400 Leaning more towards lesbian. 830 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:31,040 Yep. 831 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:31,840 Wow. 832 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,560 Yeah. 833 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,360 Look how much- 834 01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:34,640 You've got so many grounds. 835 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,160 I didn't want to drink it because it's so late in the day. 836 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,760 I didn't want it to affect my sleeping. 837 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:41,680 Let's see here. 838 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:42,800 This looks like a- 839 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,880 If I see a person, what does that mean? 840 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:45,600 People. 841 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,360 The symbol of people means something good. 842 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,960 Something good's going to happen to me in the future. 843 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,360 These are three great fucking fortunes. 844 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,720 Yeah, thanks, Coffee Grounds. 845 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:53,220 Thanks. 846 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,280 So who's this coffee for? 847 01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,880 I mean, I think it's for anybody who needs to know their future for the next 40 days 848 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:02,880 and their past. 849 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:09,280 It's for anyone who wants to go to a lot of trouble to brew it, is the thing. 850 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:15,040 I recommend it for flavor, but I'd say maybe find a restaurant that serves it. 851 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,080 Yeah, right. 852 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,920 It was a little messy. 853 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,360 It was a little difficult. 854 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,080 It was fun. 855 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,880 You probably have to- 856 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,680 There's got to be a learning curve because when we watched that Zalinsky show, 857 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:32,480 Servant of the People, they were brewing in a Chesvay, Ibrek, on their stove in Ukraine. 858 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:33,840 Yeah, like no big deal, right? 859 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:40,640 I think that this is for somebody who just has a love of tradition, maybe first-generation 860 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,720 immigrant from that part of the world. 861 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,400 I feel like they're already drinking it this way. 862 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,200 I definitely think this coffee is for the millions of people around the world 863 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,440 who drink it this way. 864 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,880 Good, keep it. 865 01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:57,360 Yeah. 866 01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:58,160 It's great. 867 01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,040 Keep doing your thing. 868 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,000 It's delicious. 869 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,040 I think it's super cool. 870 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,000 It was really fun. 871 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,120 This was a great experience. 872 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,000 I really enjoyed it. 873 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,400 I thought it was cool to learn about the history of coffee too. 874 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,640 Yeah, and I'm super excited, Steph. 875 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,120 Did you know that for our Love It or Leave It that I also at the same store 876 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,160 bought an assortment of Turkish delights? 877 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:23,440 Ooh, do we have to sit in a wardrobe to eat the Turkish delight? 878 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:24,160 I do have- 879 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:29,120 Only if you want to become the slave of the snow queen or the white queen or whatever. 880 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,960 The white queen? 881 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:31,520 I don't. 882 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,360 I think it's the white queen. 883 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,400 Do you want to pledge allegiance to the white queen? 884 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,040 No. 885 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,040 Okay, then stay out of the wardrobe. 886 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,640 This is not a drug reference. 887 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,880 So Turkish delight from the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe. 888 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,640 Oh, yes, I've heard that book. 889 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:47,920 Of that book. 890 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,760 You've never read that book? 891 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,720 Not in its entirety. 892 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:51,920 Really good. 893 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,040 Me and Kaia, we were listening to it when she was doing cheerleading. 894 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,120 Just didn't like all the religious references. 895 01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,480 Well, it's not really though. 896 01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:04,160 You don't know that they're religious references, then it just reads like a silly fairy tale. 897 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:04,660 Yeah. 898 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:05,920 Actually, I looked into that. 899 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,760 For God gave his only begotten lion, you're all saved. 900 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,200 I actually looked into that some more and that's more of a rumor than a truth. 901 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:15,760 Just kidding. 902 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,720 Did you know that though? 903 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:23,040 That's like a really common misconception that it's not actually supposed to be a religious tale. 904 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,400 No, a lot of my friends were into that in like the middle school era. 905 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,000 It's like really popular. 906 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,680 And yeah, I think it was more into Mario around the same. 907 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,000 Like that was my media input. 908 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:34,500 But no. 909 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,560 So great. 910 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,520 Love this coffee. 911 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,000 Yeah, really good. 912 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:38,960 Highly recommend it. 913 01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:48,240 And if you guys want to join us for the Turkish delights and all of your CS Lewis fandom, 914 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:50,880 come join us over on Patreon. 915 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,760 Yeah, on Patreon, we're going to start reviewing each book. 916 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,560 We're going to start having a book club, just the line, the witch and the wardrobe. 917 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,400 There's like seven of them that'll get us through. 918 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:07,120 So for the next 14 years, it's going to be like a Patreon sidebar. 919 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:07,620 Right. 920 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:08,420 Cool. 921 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,000 Thanks for the story, Jenny. 922 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:10,640 Really interesting. 923 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,140 Yeah. 924 01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:11,640 It was fun. 925 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,400 History of coffee. 926 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:12,900 Yeah. 927 01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:13,760 Yeah, it's good. 928 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:14,640 I love history. 929 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:16,020 Cool. 930 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,360 Well, is that our episode, guys? 931 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:18,820 Yeah. 932 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,280 Well, thank you for joining us. 933 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,080 Thanks, everybody. 934 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:32,080 Bye. 935 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,040 Bye. 936 01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,640 Thank you for listening to this podcast generously sponsored by Modest Coffee, 937 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,080 purveyors of single origin coffee without the snobbery. 938 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:12,400 Visit www.modest.coffee forward slash no bad reviews to see what they're roasting today. 939 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:22,400 Enjoy.