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Thank you and enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to No Bad Reviews colon
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a coffee podcast. This is a podcast where three friends, coffee industry professionals,
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and co-workers. Look, I switched it up. We get together every other week and we discuss something
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related to coffee. We do is we choose a coffee, any coffee, and we commit to giving it no bad reviews.
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And we commit to learning something. It's a it's an education podcast. A lot of commits.
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It's I'm that's what I like. I like commitment. That's why I'm still with you. Oh, oh,
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is that nice or not? Nice. I think it's nice. Okay. Yeah. All right. My heart was touched.
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If you want to take it that way. The good thanks. You're still here for many reasons.
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No, the commitment. That's true. But also the love. I made it. I made it. I made a commitment
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before God. Sorry. I usually do sickness and in health, aggravation and fun.
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Till death do us part. Knock on wood. I usually do a cost benefit analysis between hiring an attorney
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and like going through with it. And it's like, it's always like,
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it's like, I may as well just fucking stay together. Stay with a commitment. Good job.
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Would you want to have to like figure out like kids stuff? You gotta at least stay together till
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they're out of the house. Oh my God. But I would do anything to have every other weekend off you guys.
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I know that's I'm sorry. That is the thing I'm most envious of. My divorce friends like, wait,
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you get four days off a week. Anyway, so yeah, so we get together every week. We find the coffee.
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We try the coffee. We commit to giving it no bad reviews. But before we do that, we're going to
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learn a little something about ourselves, this world, history, the future, politics, culture.
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I don't know. The coffee is our guide and I'm Jenny and I run the operations at a coffee company
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called Mattis Coffee. And I'm Marcus and I'm drinking early today. He didn't even wake for noon.
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Yeah. Did you guys know that? Well, I knew cause you poured me one when I walked in the door.
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Yeah. Happy St. Patrick's Day. Happy St. Patrick's Day. I'm Stephanie. I'm the employee of the month
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for 48 consecutive months at Mattis Coffee. I'm happy to be drinking with you. Yeah. You just had
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your four year anniversary. Yes. Happy anniversary to all of us. Guess what? You get a raise.
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Amazing. I love raise day. It's nice, isn't it? Yeah. I'll drink to that.
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Yeah. That's why we're drinking today. You know, drinking by we, I mean you.
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You guys are always doing this to me. Incidentally. It's fine. Fuck snakes.
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Fuck snakes. Right. Because that's St. Patrick. Right. That's what he did.
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Was it really snakes? I don't think so. Cause we did a whole episode on this a whole year ago.
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So if you want to find out what St. Patrick's Day is really all about, just rewind a year ago. Hint,
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it was Budweiser. Anyway, so we're going to keep you on the rails today, Marcus, despite the number
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of drinks you've had. Good luck. And we're going to go into a different holiday a little bit. Today,
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we are doing Turkish coffee. Pretty interesting. You know, Mediterranean. It's basically Irish.
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It's a lot. It's a lot. It's actually, we happen to be in the month of Ramadan right now. So this
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is actually a pretty fitting topic. You know, I've always wanted to learn about Ramadan. Well,
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today we're not learning about Ramadan, but I can tell you a little bit about Ramadan just off the
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top of my head. Cause I didn't research it for this episode. No, that's fine. So Ramadan is a
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month of fasting. Muslim people around the world, they're going to fast from sunup to sundown.
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People who are older, like they don't expect kids to do this, but it's kids. So obviously having
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Ramadan in a time of year when the days are shorter is better. Ramadan in the summer kind of sucks.
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Yeah. Sounds like Muslim Lent. It can be, but it's not based on the Lenten calendar, the same
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calendar that Christians go by. So it happens to line up with Lent this year, but it doesn't always.
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Oh, okay. Yeah. So- Wait, is it sometimes in the summer?
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Yeah. Oh. It changes all throughout the year. It's different times of the year. I don't really know
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exactly why, but- Is it a lunar calendar? Is that why?
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It must be a lunar calendar thing. So yeah, when it's during the summer, that's gotta be really
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shitty. Yeah, man. Wow. So the point of Ramadan, from my understanding, from talking to people who
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are Muslim, I don't know the whole history behind it. At least I don't remember all of it, but
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basically it's the month of fasting. It's going to bring you closer to God. It's also going to
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help you be more empathetic with people who don't have as much. During Ramadan, you're going to want
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to give back to people. You're going to want to do acts of charity. Also, you're, like I said,
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fasting during the day, but those evenings when you break a fast, it's like party time. It's just
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time for everybody to gather and your family, especially if you live in a Muslim majority
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country, everybody in your neighborhood, everybody's getting together. They're going to feast. They're
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going to have a really nice time. So it's also a holiday of community gathering and celebration.
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It's like work hard, play hard for Muslims. Love it. Sure. Great. Yeah. I mean, to me, it sounds
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like, I mean, aside from the whole fasting part, it sounds like a really nice holiday.
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A month of fasting is a lot. I mean, a lot of religions do have fasting for like a day,
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but like a month. I mean, it's a real commitment. I could do it if I got to have a party every night.
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That's true. And it probably is pretty fun when the sun finally sets every night. What about,
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so it's only water during the day, right? It's like no, not even like coffee or anything.
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I heard it was like, um, you could eat like crackers and shit.
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Really? Maybe. No, I don't know. No, you're really not supposed to eat, um, any food at all.
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You can not drink water. You can't drink water. Technically you're not. That's what I thought,
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but I wanted to confirm. So technically you're not supposed to drink water, not supposed to eat
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during the day. But the thing is like, they don't want anybody dying. So if you have a
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medical condition, you need to eat or you need to drink, or if you're really not feeling well, like
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you're legit dehydrated, you know, you have to still take care of your body as well. But the
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whole point is not to kill yourself. The whole point is to like, bring yourself closer to God,
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to have a spiritual experience. Um, like I said, to be able to feel what it's like to be somebody
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who does go hungry. I've noticed those sometimes like when I fast, like unintentionally, it improves
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focus. It like after a while, like I just sort of like get like almost like a fervent, right? Like,
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yeah, like all like, you know, just hyper focused about what I'm, whatever I'm into. So I could see
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that being like religious, you know, like a thing, you know, just going with it. Also, there are
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health benefits to fasting anyways. So your cells, if you're constantly consuming foods,
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or just, you know, energy or whatever, any excess energy is going to get stored in your cells or,
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you know, the waste product of that energy will be stored in your cells. And it's really important
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to have a fast because then your cells can kind of clean up. Um, so, I don't know. Dear listeners,
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this is the intermittent fasting episode. Um, so anyways, this, we happen to be in the midst of
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Ramadan right now. We are not celebrating, but to those who are celebrating Ramadan, um, happy
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Ramadan, happy Ramadan. I don't know, whatever, whatever you're greeting to somebody for Ramadan
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would be, I greet you that way. You know, I'm glad you did the research. Yeah. So what's the episode
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about Turkish coffee? It's just really interesting to me. It's a really fascinating method of brewing
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coffee. I found out about Turkish coffee and how to brew it from a friend of ours. She lived in
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Yugoslavia before like that whole war thing, fucking ruined it. Her war stories are very
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interesting, but moved over here to the United States. And that is a common way in Croatia,
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Bosnia, former Yugoslavia to brew your coffee is in the Turkish style. Can I say that in looking
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for this coffee, I found Bosnian coffee, Croatian coffee, Lebanese coffee. I found so many different
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coffees. I could not find fucking Turkish coffee for the life of me until I went to Mediterranean
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Oasis in Riverville. Oh, I've been there. That place is cool. That place is awesome. If you've
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never been to Mediterranean Oasis Mart in, or Oasis Mediterranean Mark, I don't know how, which way
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it goes, but it's over by 75th and like Washington-ish, where Washington Street and Naperville is.
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But yeah, Google it, go over there. It's a really cool store. Yeah. So they had proper Turkish coffee
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and they had proper Turkish coffee brewers there. It was amazing. Yeah. Well, so what I found, how
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I found out about it was my friend and I, or our friend and I went to this store, it's a Bosnian
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store. I think it was in Carol Stream off of North Avenue. I just have to say I love ethnic grocery
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stores and I'm so grateful to live in the Chicago area where we have just so many ethnic stores you
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can go to. So fun. Within like a 20 minute drive of no matter where you are, you can hit like
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15 different countries. Yeah, it's really cool. The stores. So it's very cool. So her and I had gone
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there one day and we picked up all of these fun Bosnian foods and goods and one of them was coffee
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and we went back to her house and she showed me how to brew Turkish style coffee, but like Croatian
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style or Bosnian style Turkish coffee. So that has always been really cool to me. It's always stuck
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with me as like just an interesting method of brewing. It's actually the oldest style of
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brewing coffee. It's been around since coffee's been around because you need a way to brew it,
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right? And back in the day, 14, 15, 1600s, you didn't have like paper filters and arrow presses or
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a correg machine. Right. So the birthplace of coffee, we did an episode about this actually.
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Marcus did an episode about Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee where he explored Jamaican
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Blue Mountain coffee and the history of coffee. Baba Boudin. So that, if you guys want to listen,
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it was episode 10 called Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee and it was released on April 5th of 2022.
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You can go back and find that. It was a really interesting episode. Okay. So there's two common
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mythological stories of the birth of coffee. The first one was the one that you really went into,
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which was Caldy and his goats and the goats were, and this one is my favorite story because you
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have these little goats and they're eating these red little coffee cherries and they're jumping all
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over the place. That's really fun. Whimsical. Who doesn't love jumping goats? They're the best.
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Well, this legend is just a little bit more boring. It has more of like a Moses type twist to it.
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This guy, Sheik Omar and his people were exiled to the desert in Yemen. They're all starving.
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They're having a really tough time. They find a shrub that has berries growing on it, these little
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red berries, but they're kind of bitter and kind of hard. Let my people drink Joe. Yes. Thank you,
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Marques. It should be like, give my people Joe. There it is. You can try it again if you want to
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do a little cuteroo. Give my people Joe. There you go. So yeah, so they're starving. They find
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these shrubs. They've got these little berries growing on them. They're kind of bitter and hard.
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So what they decided to do was roast them. Like you do. Like you do. And then soak them in water
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to soften them, to try to make them taste better. There's a lot of holes in this story.
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The brown liquid tasted good and it was invigorating. I just don't think that you go
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out into the wild, the desert, you're in exile. You come across a berry bush and you're like,
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you know what? What I need to do is take this red part off, take these little seeds. I need to
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roast them and then I need to soak them. Something doesn't add up here. Does coffee grow in the
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desert? Yeah. I assume Yemen and Ethiopia is desert, but I don't know. That's a great question
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because typically we think of it growing on these lush verdant mountain sides. Right. Well, look,
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I didn't make up this myth. I just read about it. And thank you. We'll add one more point to the
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bullshit. Those are like a couple of the mythological stories. I'm partial to the
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goat stories of Ethiopia, but the first written record of coffee is from the 1400s in Yemen
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monasteries. Yes. Yes. I remember this. Yemen had a really important trading port. This one that
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we've talked about, you've probably heard of it in the South by the Red Sea. It was the port of Mocha.
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So Yemen used to be a part of the Ottoman Empire. Do you know how fucking long the Ottoman Empire
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went for? World War II. Not quite that long. It was founded in 1299, ended not until 1923. Wow.
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Yeah. So World War I. A really long time. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was founded by this guy named
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Osman the first with one goal, time to take over the world. And he had this sidekick named pinky.
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Are you kidding? Okay. You got me. You got me. That was good.
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So one fascinating thing about the Ottoman Empire, the Ottomans were Muslim,
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but they were super successful at their takeover of the world because they just let people kind of
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do what they wanted to do. They didn't try to change people's religions. They didn't try to
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change the way they ate. They didn't try to come in and make new rules about customs or clothing
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or how they operated. Looking at the Ottoman Empire maps, it's all surrounding seas, all those
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seas, like the Black Sea, the Red Sea, the Caspian Sea, the Mediterranean Sea. It just loops around
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all of these seas and goes up and down the sides of them. So really the Ottoman Empire was mostly,
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they were concerned with controlling the trade routes. And so it didn't really matter to them
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what people did as long as they could control those trade routes and make that money.
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If they were actually interested in conquering people or taking over their resources and things
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like this, you would see them kind of conquering further inland. But everything just stayed very
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much close to the seas. Interesting. Yeah, so I think that's probably why they lasted so long too
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because they come in, they fight, you're like, all right, fine. But they didn't make people's lives
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terrible. They're like, the king is dead, long live the king. Just keep paying your taxes,
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we're good, you guys do your thing. And the taxes just, it's like, who do you write the checks out
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to? Right. Right, now it's just going to the Ottoman king instead of fucking whoever.
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One would imagine that more trade would be good for everyone. Right. Yeah, that's true too. Like
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all of the merchants along the way and all of the people. Did they own the Silk Road?
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I didn't look into that. That's such a very specifically random question.
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Anyway, so at one point it encompassed the area of 43 modern day countries. Wow. That's a lot.
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I mean, I went all- European countries are so tiny. Yeah. Well, they didn't actually get into
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Europe too far. I mean, I guess they were kind of Luxembourg. It's like the size of Aurora.
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Italy, there's like 13 countries back then. Well, they didn't get up that far into Italy.
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They were like the northern edge of Africa. They were like down like the edge of like Saudi Arabia
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and like Jordan. Oh, sure. They were like, and then they went up a little bit. They cover the
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Middle Eastern peninsula. Well, they do that, but not all of it because they didn't have all of
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Saudi Arabia. They only had the strip that goes along the sea. Yeah. Like I said, they were not
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concerned with like whatever was going on away from the sea. Most of present day Turkey. Oh,
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all of Turkey. Then they also went a little bit north. They went almost as far north as Austria,
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but same thing. They're looping around these seas, right? They go up into like almost to Russia,
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Ukraine, Kazakhstan, all of where Yugoslavia used to be, all of that area. Crazy. Which is
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interesting because all of these areas drink like Turkish style coffee is still like a common way
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of brewing coffee today. And it was all spread by the Ottoman Empire. Really fascinating. It is
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fascinating. The only thing is that like the Ottoman Empire, they were like kind of fucked up
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towards the end at least. So like Armenia, I didn't know this, but like right before the fall of the
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Ottoman Empire, they had a huge genocide. Do you guys know about the Armenian genocide? Yeah.
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They're still kind of salty about it. A hundred, 1.5 million Armenians were murdered from 1914 to
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1923 when the Ottoman Empire collapsed. Yeah. They call it Armenian coffee, but it's like,
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it's Turkish coffee, but they don't call it Turkish coffee. Also Greece doesn't call it Turkish coffee
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because Turkey tried to invade the island. What island was it? Oh, here it is. Lesbos. So they
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didn't, they didn't, Greece doesn't want to call it Turkish coffee either. They stopped calling it
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actually very recently in like the 1980s because in 1974 Turkey was like, the island of Cyprus is ours.
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And Greeks like, fuck you. No, it's not. It's ours. It's been ours for a while. And Turkey's like,
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no, give it to us. So they invaded. And then, yeah. So the island of Cyprus was like under Turkish
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control and now it's back to Greece control. But anyways, Greece was super mad about it. In the
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seventies? Seventies, 1974. It's fucking crazy. I know it's very recent. The Turks were like,
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we're going to fight you for this island. I guess. I don't know what's up with that island. Do they
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call it Greek coffee? Yeah. So the Greek call it Greek coffee. Armenians call it Armenian coffee.
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It's probably become like more common anyways, as like we've gotten further away from the
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Ottoman Empire that they'll just call it whatever. Well, it's funny because when I was in the
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Mediterranean Oasis store, the guy behind the counter, he was like, oh, you got to try Albanian
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coffee next. And I was like, yeah. And I was at this other store and I learned about Bosnian coffee
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and Greek coffee. And he was like, they're not as good. He was dead serious. He's like,
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it's probably all the same fucking coffee. But he was like, you know, fuck Greek coffee.
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I mean, none of these places are growing coffee. They're just brewing it. Right. That's a very
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fair point and good observation. And they're all brewing it the same way. And it's like, so like,
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same coffee. Maybe it's like roasted in each of these countries and like ground, but yeah,
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it's not grown there. It's all that. It's just a fucking, it's just a brewing method that like,
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they don't want to call Turkish style. They want to call it Greek style. They want to call it
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Armenian style, whatever they want to do. I'm excited that we maybe have like seven more
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episodes based on this one run to the grocery. Yeah. Nope. Tastes the same. Yep. Greek. All the
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same. All the same fucking coffee. What do we need like a, like Ottoman war, like war room coffee.
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Yeah. This could be, this could be on our love it or leave it on Patreon. We're just going to have
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a whole series of Ottoman Empire. It's going to be the war of the Ottoman Empire coffees. Awesome.
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I'm so glad you brought that up because if you want to follow that, just head on over to
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patreon.com forward slash no bad reviews pod. And you can follow the action there.
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It's a, it's really warring there. It's a real war situation. Who's going to win? I don't know,
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but we'll tell you if we love it or leave it. Yeah. So anyways, yeah. So that's kind of
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interesting. The Ottoman Empire, it fell though. Uh, like Marcus mentioned right around world war
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one, uh, due to just mismanagement. You know, I feel like, first of all, that entire time period,
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like of our grandparents, kind of unpleasant. Was there a good year? I don't fucking know.
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You had war, you had great depression, then you had some more war, then you had the fucking cold
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war, then you had the fucking Korean war, then you had the fucking Vietnam war. Maybe there's
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just always a lot of war, but that particular early, like pre 1950s time does not seem like
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a great time. You had the industrial, the depression though. That shit was hot. I don't know,
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because like industrial revolution, like there were no fucking labor laws, no, like children
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were dying in fucking factory fires. I digress. The roaring twenties though. Wasn't there like a
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fun year? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, you had like one good year. You know,
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the roaring twenties was hot. I think it was one singular good year, but even like prohibition,
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right? Like, I don't know. I mean, prohibition sounded like a lot of fun because it sounded
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like people were drinking more than ever during the prohibition, just in speakeasies. It did seem fun.
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It did seem fun. Cocaine was legal. That was probably still in the twenties. I don't remember.
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You're the one who did that research. I know, but I can never remember things. Okay. So the only good
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thing about the early 1900s was cocaine and flapper girls. In the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
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I guess in the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Yeah. So the Ottoman Empire falls, mismanagement internally,
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like corruption, whatever. We've seen it a thousand times in government. I wonder when ours is going
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to fall. Anyways, so talking about Turkish style coffee. So what we have here is what is often called
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outside of Turkey, an ibrik. Love it. But in Turkey, it's called a çezve. A çezve. Can I just show you
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really quickly? I tried to look up how to pronounce çezve. Can I? I'm fucking bold here. This is how
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it's fucking phonetically pronounced. Those aren't even fucking English letters. Tell me.
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How does that fucking help? That's not helpful. And like look it up on some like pronunciation
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website and it has these characters that aren't English. I don't know what that fucking means.
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I don't, is that Turkish? No, I don't think it's Turkish. I think that there's another alphabet
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for people who are like scientists of pronunciation. Sanskrit.
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Maybe. So anyways, this vessel, it's this çezve. We can call it a çezve since we're talking about
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Turkish coffee. It's like a pot. It has a spout. It has like a wider bottom and then it kind of
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angles upward a little bit and then it has a handle. And it kind of looks like a milk,
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like a smaller version of like one of those milk steamer cups, right? Yeah, yeah. Like for coffee.
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Yeah, right. The handle is extremely long. It's like a long straight handle that's like six
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inches long on this tiny cup. Yeah, this is like the OG coffee brewing method. So I think that's
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kind of cool that this has lasted now. What like, I don't know. How many thousands of years? No,
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it's just hundreds of years. Round it up. A thousand years. A hundred years, fifteen hundreds.
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This is when they, you know, fourteen, fifteen hundreds first recorded by paper maybe earlier.
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Anyway, so what you do is you take this pot, you put your coffee grounds in there, finely ground,
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you fill it with water and then you put it over a flame and then it cooks and it boils and it foams
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up and then when it all settles down, you let it settle to the bottom and then you just pour the
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brewed coffee off the top. And this guy at the grocery store, he was actually telling me, he's
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like, you have to, there's gonna, it's gonna be, it's gonna boil up and create a foam and he's like,
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you have to share the foam equally amongst all the people drinking it too. That's part of the
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technique. And, uh, did he recommend that gold one or did you just pick that one? I picked that one
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because I felt there was like the highest quality one. He's like, you picked the right one.
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Where are you? Where are you learning all this good stuff to pick out? Because I also got Turkish
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Delights too. Oh, we're going to do Turkish Delights on Love It or Leave It. Oh, fun. Yay.
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So we'll find out if those are any good. Um, and, uh, he's like, what, what internet site you see
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that tells you these good things? And I was like, no, we have a podcast.
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We're very smart about coffee things. I'm like, we're huge in the Fox Valley. We have like
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at least a hundred listeners. And he was like, you tell me, I put it on my website.
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Really? Yeah. He's like, he's all about it. Cool. So Mediterranean Oasis, Naperville.
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We better clean up our language then. Yeah. And maybe he's not going to love your accent.
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No, he's like, it sounds just like me. I don't know. You sound like a
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Seinfeld character, but I'm not sure which one. Anyway, so I just reel it back a little bit,
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but you're right. Marcus is a character. Should we brew some coffee? No, we're going to talk about
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this a little bit more. So we've got the birth of Turkish coffee. It was, um, invented. I don't know
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if that's the right word, but discovered, cultivated, I don't know, whatever documented,
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1555. There was an Ottoman government governor of Yemen who was like, all right, so we've got this
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coffee. Super good. We got to figure out how to make it. His name was as Demir Pasha. Um,
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and under his rule, he was the one who figured out roast those beans over a fire, finally grind
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them and then slowly cook them in hot water. Uh, he shared this method with the Sultan Suleiman,
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the magnificent. He expanded the Ottoman empire more than anybody else did. And he became a
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fucking governor in the Ottoman empire, like before his dad died, you know, before he was
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about to take over 17 years old. What the fuck? Who gives a 17 year old like a fucking governorship?
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I mean, I guess he had, yeah, right. But he was like very well educated. And one of his education,
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part of his education was like military, how to be a good military guy. Um, so he was able to go out
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like super organized, great military. I mean, considered to be great. I don't think that killing
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people is ever great, but you're a girl. So what do you know? Yeah, exactly. Thank you. Um, thank
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you for making it okay for me to like feel comfortable and not being comfortable with war.
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Um, so yeah, so he, but he was like totally into it. So here he hits the one who spread the,
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this coffee and this Turkish method that was invented by Pasha. He spread that shit throughout
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all of the Ottoman empire. Now everybody is using the Chesva and yeah. And the super finely ground
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coffee. That's cool. Um, coffee brewing at this time, like the, the second half of the 1500s
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was super ritualistic. It could sometimes involve 40 people to properly pull off a coffee brewing
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ceremony. Like they weren't just brewing coffee. They were like lighting incense. They were
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getting out the Turkish delight. They were, um, everybody had to have rosewater perfume and smell
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good. So they made it like a big, huge fucking to do. I think I would hate that. I think I would
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just be like so irritated. Can I just drink the fucking coffee? Yes. Give me my fucking. Yeah.
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Could you imagine waking up in the morning and having to wait for this whole entire fucking
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production before you can drink your coffee in three hours? Or maybe they had 40 people putting
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it together so they could get it done like really fucking fast. Like let's go. Right. Um, so this is
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how they flavored it. They were using mastic, not the kind that you use on bathroom tiles.
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It's a, it's an evergreen that grows in the Mediterranean. So they take the sap. So it's
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going to be a little, you know, evergreeny. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Sure. If you think that's gross,
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let's keep going. Uh, cardamom, cardamom. Oh, I like cardamom. Yeah. Sure. Do you, have you heard
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of Amber grease? Yes. If you have, don't say it. Don't say what it is. Cause I'm going to fucking
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horrify you. Oh, are you talking about the whale? No, I don't know what Amber greases. Can you tell
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me about it? Amber grease. What is it? What could it be? Are we going to taste it today on the show?
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It's really illegal. No. Anyway, so Amber grease, for those of you who don't know, and I was,
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did not know, and I came to be horrified. It's a solid, waxy, flammable, um, substance. I,
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reading this, I'm like, Oh, that doesn't sound so bad. It sounds like, like mer or frankincense or
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something. Um, it's a black or it's like, can be gray or blackish. It's a produced in the digestive
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system of the sperm whale. Yes. Formed via secretion of the bile duct in the intestines of the sperm
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whale. That's fucking disgusting. I'm trying to remember how I know about this. I know about it
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not firsthand on our last trip to the ocean. They were like, Oh, you can find blobs of Amber grease.
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Like, and if you do, like you just got lucky worth more than gold or something. Yeah. It's worth a
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ton. Well, Amber grease used to be not, I mean, I think it's always been worth something, but it
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used to be incredibly, incredibly common. Um, freshly produced Amber grease has a, like a marine
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shit smell. Sounds great. Um, as it ages though, it acquires like a sweet earthy scent. Um,
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it's, I don't know if this is a very good, I saw this on Wikipedia. It's like, it smells kind of
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like isopropyl alcohol without the vapor chemical astringency. I don't know what that is. I heard
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it's good carrier for like cologne. It used to be really popular back in the day. Yeah. It's, um,
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so it is, was used and still can be found in perfumes today as a matter of fact,
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cause it has kind of a musky scent to it. Um, it can be found floating in the sea,
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washed up on the coastlines. Also, it can be found in dead whales, whether naturally dead whales or
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hunted dead whales. And that's why it's illegal now in the United States because of overhunting of
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the whales back in the day. You know how they do. So this is what Amber grease has been used for
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incense in ancient Egypt, cigarettes in modern Egypt. Oh, interesting. Yeah. That's the, well,
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this is what the internet tells me. Um, I've not fact checked myself, but I'm assuming the internet
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is correct. Uh, perfumes and fragrances, like we said, it was used in this Turkish coffee back
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in the day for flavor. Put it in the coffee. They would put it in the coffee. Yeah. Disgusting.
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Bulletproof. Well, coffee. That's awesome. Um, it's called beluga proof.
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I would think like sperm proof. Or is that a different type of, um, also they used to add it
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to hot chocolate in Europe. There's also a cocktail that you can make with Amber grease
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that includes rum, almonds, cloves, Cassia, and orange peels. Gross. Marcus. I'm delighted.
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This sounds great. Let's try it. Yeah. Disgusting. Um, during the black death,
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Europeans thought carrying a ball of it around would keep away the plague.
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Willing to try. They were, I think that they were willing to try then too. Yeah. And now the last,
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my favorite, least favorite, uh, eggs and Amber grease was King Charles II of England's favorite
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dish. So gross. I'm really curious about this stuff. I wish we had a little ball of it so I could
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like smell it. I would probably vomit. Right. I, I, that in oak moss is another ingredient that's used
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in like old perfume making. I'm like, I want to get my hands on like the hot shit, the hot old shit
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shit. Literally. But Amber grease is like cholesterol or something like that. It's like a
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waxy substance. Except for, you know, it's just made of shit. No, it's not shit. It's like bile.
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Yeah. It's throw up. It's made in the bile ducts. It's passed the same way as shit. It
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chart plant. It goes and travels through the intestines and goes out the butt, out the butt,
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or up the stomach or up the stomach. Exactly. Vomited. I'm not about to judge. Anyway, if it
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smells good, I'll put it on me. So wait, it really goes either way. Like it can. So like if it can
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cause a blockage, if it's too big and it'll cause an intestinal blockage, it'll come up out through
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the mouth of the whale. But typically it'll just travel through the intestines is and come out as
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poop. It's illegal in the U S Australia and India. Okay. Those are the only three countries where
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it's illegal. But if you find it on the shore. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's like the trading
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of it. Like, like from like killing whales and trading it. If you find it on the shore, like
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that's fine. Cause I just learned, sorry, this is a side tangent here, but I just learned that if you,
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if a golden eagle or a bald eagle drops a feather, you are not allowed to touch it. It's illegal.
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I just found out. That seems ridiculous. I think so too. Who's going to, who's going to tell on you
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though? You're not allowed to trade it. You're not allowed to possess any part of an eagle unless
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you're a native American. It's illegal. It's a protected species. Interesting. All right. Well,
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next time I find one, I won't tell anyone. Um, the taste is described as earthy, musky, sweet briny,
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like a sea briny. Um, and has like, and has like a concentrated sea smell. Oh, I would eat it. I'd
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try it. I'm sure. Spoon, just a spoonful of ambergris. I feel like it sounds kind of like a raw oyster
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because they can be a little sweet and briny, right? I don't know. I've never tried one.
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You've never had, is that a surprise to you? I'm sorry. I was, I'm sorry. I'm like, if you don't
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know me by now, you will never, never, never know me. Eggs, ambergris, oysters, coffee. Like this is breakfast of champions.
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This all sounds great. Sure. Let's do it. Well, sadly for you guys, there used to be a, um,
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a restaurant in New York city that is now closed, but they used to have a hot chocolate, um,
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ambergris hot chocolate on their menu as recently as 2016. When I read about it,
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really recent. So you don't, there might be hope for you guys. There might be another little,
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some place in this country that we call home that you might be able to maybe in Aurora,
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maybe I'll find some ambergris online. Maybe. Well, I'm not trying that for lever to leave it. I will quit.
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Just a whole thing. You can't quit because we'll do a podcast like twice a year without you motivating us.
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I'll quit for that day. I'll quit and come back. Okay. Um, so anyway, so that's about ambergris.
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I found it to be incredibly fascinating, um, and disgusting. So coffee brewing at this time, um,
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under Sultan Suleiman was, uh, so popular that they in fact had a chief coffee maker. It was an official
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government position. Um, and it was like such an important position that you could like move up
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to grand vizier and a grand vizier is basically like the, the Sultan's right-hand man or like a
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governor, like, like you're in the court, you're like a top dog, you're right-hand man, you're
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like a top dog, you're right next to Suleiman. And I found that to be pretty fascinating that
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just like a barista could make it. Right. You're like literally one of the 12 most important people
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in our country. Yeah. If you're brewing good coffee in our empire. Yeah. Right. It should be,
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I feel like. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, you got to know how to balance like that Mastic and ambergris.
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Not anybody can do that. Can you imagine if like the cabinet of the United States, it was like,
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this is our department head of coffee making. I mean, we could get rid of one of those.
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Buttigieg is now the department of coffee. Like baristas across America. It's like,
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if you win the SCA barista championship, you get to get promoted into the government. Right.
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In the government position. Yeah. I feel like there's like cabinet member we could get rid of,
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we could replace. Like, what do we not need? Department of. Energy. If I can cut that. Right.
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Right. I think that like, you know what, if we had more baristas in government, I mean. Yeah.
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I think it would be. That could be really good for us. DOC. Department of coffee. Department of
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coffee. It's too close to the one that we don't like. Oh, department of corrections. Yeah.
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So then just, this whole popularity thing started to get a little out of control according to one
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guy a hundred years later, this guy, the grand vizier Kaprulu. He was like, basically as far
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as I can tell some conservative religious dude, like we all know the type. He thought people are
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having a little too much fun, not doing enough religion. And he was like, let's bring, make
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everyone miserable to bring them closer to God. And so he outlawed coffee. Really? Well, he tried.
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He was not super successful. Basically the ruling class was like, and of whom he was a part. He was
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like, Oh, these people, they're just like sitting around and socializing all day. We don't want them
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talking and forming a revolution against us. So like an organizing and overthrowing the government.
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But like, I feel like the Ottoman Empire's like whole thing of like, just like be chill was working
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really well. I'm pretty sure this guy was just some sort of like religious conservative control
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nut. And like I said, we all know the type. So there was like a couple of different, it was like
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the penalties were a little unclear, just chop off people's heads who drink it. Oh my God. A death
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penalty for drinking coffee. Well, uh, yeah, it's a little extreme, right? The other punishments that
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I saw about the first offense, you'd be beaten severely with a cudgel. What the fuck? What's a
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cudgel? That's the one with the hammer, right? Right. Isn't it the spiky one? Yeah, I think so.
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A meat tenderizer. That's what I thought. Let's double check. That's a cudgel.
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It's a wooden meat tenderizer. Yeah, basically that's it. It's like a stick with something like
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really uncomfortable and awful at the end. Geez. Second offense, you'd be sewn into a leather bag
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and then thrown into a river. Seems very, both of the, all of it seems very extreme. Yeah.
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Basically though, like my thought is like, fuck man, if you were afraid of being overthrown,
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having the government overthrown before this, I mean, I would start to probably worry more now.
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Like you're actually pissing people off. Yeah. Yeah. As far as I can tell, this didn't last very long.
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What happened to that guy? Yeah, it just- He's the one that needs to get killed. Yeah. It just
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basically got, it didn't really fly. I think probably nobody wanted to enforce this. Right.
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So I think it was just this fucking crazy ass guy coming up with shit and everybody's like,
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yeah, okay, man. Okay. Yeah, whatever. We'll do whatever you say. Toss him in a
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leather bag or whatever. So anyways, that got turned around really quickly and everybody went
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back to drinking coffee. Great. Just a little fun facts about the first coffee houses. This is really
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fun. So back, the first ever coffee house open in Istanbul around what, Marcus? I heard Istanbul
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was Constantinople. You're about to break out in song. Sorry. Thanks, Marcus. So yeah, so the first
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one, it was around the same time that Pasha figured out this way of brewing coffee. And so
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he figures out how to brew coffee. Everybody's like, oh hell yes, we need a place to gather
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and drink this coffee. Coffee houses started springing up all over the places. At first,
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they were just to serve their neighborhoods. Everybody would just kind of leave their house.
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It'd be like a coffee house every block or whatever. Like pubs to the Irish. Yeah, exactly.
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So then the coffee houses, they started serving certain clientele. So they had like firemen,
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like the fireman's coffee house or the storytellers coffee house or my favorite, the opium smokers
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coffee house. That sounds like kind of fun. Like smoke some opium, drink some coffee, just sit around
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and chill all day. This feels very D and D. Like did they have like an adventurer's coffee house
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and the bard's coffee house? Sure. Like whatever suits your fancy, there was like a gathering
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place for everybody. It was really cool. I love this. I know if you're smoking opium,
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you were deaf. That was like the wizard's house. Yeah, they were definitely getting deep about some
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shit for sure. Right. Long ass beards, pointy hats. So opium was fine. Coffee. Yeah. I mean,
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I think like in this, I mean, come on. I mean, you think of Afghanistan and their opium and
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then that's just like, okay, so thinking about recently, I heard about Michael Pollan,
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Pollan, whatever his name is. He wrote a book about caffeine consumption. And basically the idea is
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in like coffee consumption, like what's the big deal about an addiction? And if it's not like
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really harming anything, like if you have a constant supply of opium and you take a little
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toke of opium to get through the day, what's the big deal? Michael Pollan says it's cool. He says
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opium is totally cool. So stay tuned guys for our love it or leave it. Eat plants,
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that's what it is. We'll smoke some opium. Eat food, mostly plants, toke some opium.
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I've always been a fan of this. I feel like that would solve a lot of problems
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just in general for society. Well, I mean, like you do have to consider like when people don't
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have access to illegal drugs, they're going to like resort to illegal activities to get illegal
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drugs. Like it's like caffeine, like the premise of his book actually was like, is coffee that bad?
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And is it coffee addiction that big of a deal? And the whole thing was like, no, because coffee is
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like helps people be productive. It's readily available. Like nobody's going out and robbing
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people so that they can get a cup of coffee. But if you made coffee illegal, then you would see
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people like jonesing and needing their coffee. Productivity would suffer. Like there's so many
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benefits. I mean, I don't know. Anyways, opium was totally fine back in the day. And I think in a lot
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of countries, people do smoke opium still. I don't know though. I don't know. Anyways, that's just me
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making shit up because I think I saw something once in like a travel show. I'm fairly certain opium is
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popular still. I think some places it's fine. I wish it was more popular here. I don't know why
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we need heroin and fentanyl. I don't know why we can't just smoke opium. Yeah. It's pretty delightful.
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Well, yeah, I've never smoked opium. I did have fentanyl because of my thumb. And I can say that I would
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highly recommend fentanyl. That was delightful also. Yeah, I would say. I would recommend it maybe
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though if it's prescribed by a doctor. I think anybody. If you can find somebody on the street
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with fentanyl, that's the good shit. I haven't seen opium in a few decades. And now I'm kind of amazed
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that I've ever seen it because where is it? Why? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I mean,
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it seems like a gentler version of heroin. Yeah, it's classy. They could throw that in a vape
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cartridge. Can you imagine? That would be the way to go. It tastes great in a vape cartridge. Right.
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Holy shit. I think we've just done something here. That's mine. That's my idea. Don't take it. That's fine.
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Do you want to end on Marcus's new business idea? Because I'm not a part of any more.
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I'm just going to hang out near Marcus and help with the testing, product development, et cetera.
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Gosh. All right. Let's bring it back, you druggies. All right. So also some fun things. Some of these
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coffee houses had music and dance and story resuscitations. It's exactly like a fucking
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coffee house out of the 1990s. It's great. Where you would just go and there'd be open mics. People
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get up there with their fucking acoustic guitars. Like an episode of Friends. Yeah, it's great.
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That's funny. You're talking about the 90s, but I was totally imagining the beatniks in like,
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what, 50s, 60s? Well, it's been around a long time, these beatniks. Well, coffee has always
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historically been, right? The cultural epicenter. People are drinking coffee and thinking and
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debating and talking, right? And gathering. So I could also see that as being the people in
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Parliament like, what the fuck are those people doing? All that gathering. What are they talking
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about? Right. They got a lot of fucking things to say. Yeah, they're probably-
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Better shut that shit down. It's probably true. Had the coffee house culture not been so strong,
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that one dude probably wouldn't have been like, hey, what are you guys doing over there?
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Yeah, exactly. Well, you can go to, even today. So in the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul,
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there is, that, it sounds fucking cool. I want to go see this. It's basically like the world's
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first shopping mall. Dates back to the 1400s. It's like an outdoor covered market. And there's like
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a little family owned coffee shop there that was opened in 1909. And it set up just like the old
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school Ottoman coffee shops where, so you can like go in, you like sit on the same kind of stools at
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the same kind of tables. They're preparing coffee in the old way. Like I said, a lot of these
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countries that were under the Ottoman Empire still brew coffee in the Turkish style today.
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But there's just like some variations regionally of how they're going to make it.
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Some places will like make like a little paste before adding more water to it to brew.
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So just like coffee grounds with a little water. Yeah. So they'll put the coffee grounds in the
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bottom, make us paste, like heat that paste up till it becomes like pasty. And then they'll add
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water and then mix it. Almost like, I'm thinking of like when you do a roux when you're cooking.
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Some will start with the grounds mixed with cold water. Some will add the, like start boiling the
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water, then add the coffee grounds. Different countries might use different spices, like some
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little spice variations. Some will add more sugar. There's, there's just some like different regional
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ways of making coffee. That's normal. I think when you have some place that's as big area wise,
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also something that's super common is called Tassio mancy. So if we remember from tarot cards,
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mancy means like divination. Basically it's like reading the coffee grounds.
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So are we doing that today? I'm hoping we can. I looked up, I looked up like what all the things
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mean. So I could do probably a really shitty coffee ground reading for us. Awesome. Nice.
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Basically what you do is like, so like you're, this whole thing is like you're brewing the water and
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the grounds together. There's no filtering. So when you pour it into your little cups,
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like with like a little shot glass type thing, basically it makes like an espresso.
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When you pour it into your cup, there's going to be some grounds at the bottom. You never finish
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it all the way down. And then you just take them from your cup, dump them over on a saucer.
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The Turkish tradition where you're doing is you're taking those coffee grounds, you're dividing it
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into horizontal halves. So the symbols on the bottom are interpreted as messages regarding the
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past and the symbols on the top half are messages regarding your future. There's like another way
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some people would do it, like vertical halves for like yes or no answers with like the outcome of
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events represented by symbols. Some believe that the cup is capable of revealing insights about the
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past. But if you're trying to look into the future, you cannot go more than 40 days. That's it. 40 days.
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That's all you get. You're not going that far. You've got to come back. It's an impressive forecast though. I mean, like
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you think about the technology to get to even a 10 day forecast on weather. It's true. Like 40 days is impressive.
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I have to agree with you. Yeah, that's a good point. So yeah, so I looked up a whole list of
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the symbols for reading coffee. Shall we brew some coffee? Sure, let's do it.
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And we're back. All right, so I was thinking that I could just tell you a little bit about this company,
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this Turkish Coffee Company really quick before we get started or before we do the olfactory reveal.
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Let me. All right, so like Marcus said, we went to the Mediterranean Oasis Mart or Oasis,
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Mediterranean, whatever. They have so much cool stuff there. They have like a little deli counter.
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It's like a really cool store. They have so much stuff Mediterranean. I think in this area,
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it's a really popular store for people who, for these people from the Mediterranean area.
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Want some Turkish shit because I went to the international market. And like I said,
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I had to go, I had to do some run around to find it. Yeah, Marcus really did. He went to the Nayeb
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Mart over on the east side. Then he went to international market. Then he headed on over
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to the Oasis Mediterranean market and he was successful. What a fun day. Yeah. So you know
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what they had at the Nayeb Mart? Nescafe instant coffee. That was their only option.
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That's not gonna fucking work. Maybe for a future episode, but not this one. This Turkish Coffee
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Company, super cool looking canister. You said it was like legit. This one from fucking Turkey.
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This is the one. Yeah. So this one, I looked up what's the most popular or iconic coffee company
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for Turkey. This is Karoo Kebeki Mehmet Effendi. Look at me. I kind of nailed that right away.
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It's Turkish coffee from the country of Turkey. It's such a fucking cool can. Isn't it cool?
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So they are the oldest coffee company. They're founded in 1871 by Mehmet Effendi, part of this
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name. The Karoo Kebeki is actually the last name that his sons took on. So it's their last name
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and then his name combined into the name of this company. Cool. Basically they just wanted to
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be fucking coffee company. So Mehmet Effendi, back in the 19th century, coffee beans were
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generally sold raw and then roasted and people would roast them themselves at home. So I find
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that to be kind of interesting. Everybody used to be a coffee roaster prior to 1871 basically.
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Then 1871, he took over another family business and began roasting the raw coffee beans, grinding
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them in his mortar and pestle. Oh gosh. I mean, could you imagine? Especially to that fineness,
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but maybe that, I don't know, they're probably, that's just how they did it, I guess.
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And then he would sell it, freshly roasted, ready ground, ready for people to just buy.
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So of course people were like, fuck yes, thank you for doing all this work for us.
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It was so convenient. Then after he died in 1931, the business was passed to his three sons, Hasan,
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Hussuli, and Ahmet. Their last name for some reason used to be Bey, like Beyonce. So maybe
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it was pronounced B, I don't know. But they decided to take the name Karoo Kebeki. Like I said,
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Keveci? Kev-V-C? I don't know. They already fucked this up, probably. So yeah, basically they were
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just the ones though. They just kind of did their coffee thing. They also had traveled internationally.
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His sons were internationally educated. I mean, we're talking about globalization. People are now
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world traveling. They're getting exposed to what people are doing in other parts of the world.
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They're learning new business practices. And so they brought all that back and decided to really
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take this coffee company to the world stage and to really cement it. They're capitalists.
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We know the old story of capitalism and capitalist coffee companies. So this is really cool. They're
545
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really into the art deco thing back in the 1930s. So you can see they had an artist make this art
546
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:09,440
deco style logo, which is really cool. It's like a human face, but with M's on it and he's holding
547
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:16,240
a little coffee cup. So it's really cool. And then they also designed a whole new roasting facility
548
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:21,120
and offices that were also in the art deco style. So they're super into it. That's fucking cool.
549
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:33,600
Yeah. So then the one son, Hussali Bey, he died in an untimely death. And it was passed down to
550
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:41,200
Mehmet Effendi's youngest son, Ahmet Riza. And he was the one who, like I said, they're educated
551
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:50,320
abroad. He was the most abroad of the sons. He's the one who introduced paper bags for this. He
552
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,520
also decided to start distributing to grocery stores. He was just driving them around in his car,
553
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,840
just like we do. There you go. One thing that was revolutionary at the time, he was promoting
554
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,880
the company through posters and calendars. It wasn't something that they were really doing
555
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,920
back then, but yeah, they just had a whole fleet of automobiles, posters and calendars.
556
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:21,440
Cool. Yeah. Today, the company is still ran by Mehmet Effendi. So the OG guy back in 1871,
557
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,600
his grandchildren are still running the company, which I think is fucking cool.
558
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,400
That's crazy. That's cool.
559
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,480
Really fucking cool. It's now exported to 55 countries in Europe, America, Asia, Australia,
560
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,360
and Africa in this fancy can. Cool.
561
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,320
Yep. So that is it. But we'll do the official factory reveal. Are you ready?
562
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,760
Should I start the brewer now? Yeah, go ahead. We could probably start
563
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,000
brewing it now. What we're doing is like a one to 10 ratio. Looking online, some people are like
564
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,280
one to 12, one to nine, one to 16. So I did one to 10 because it was the easiest math.
565
00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:01,280
So we've got 350 grams of water and then we also have 35 grams of coffee. If you open it,
566
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000
this is what I find pretty interesting is that it's a really light roast.
567
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,720
I was wondering if it was because... It smells pretty good and it's arabica.
568
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,240
I was wondering if it was because it was vacuum sealed that it smelled so good. It smelled
569
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:21,200
really good when you open it. Oh my gosh, it's so finely ground like a powder. I assumed it would be
570
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,960
coarsely ground because it's being put directly in the water. I feel like this is going to be
571
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:32,640
really hard to separate. So I'm not sure why they do it finely ground. I probably could have
572
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,440
looked into that, but I did not think about it. You can feel it. It feels super powdery and fine.
573
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:44,000
Oh my gosh. This is really cool. It does feel like you press into it and it's like a cloud.
574
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,360
It's like that fake indoor sand or something. Yeah, kinetic sand.
575
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:55,040
Yeah, it's got a funny texture. It smells great and it is really light.
576
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,480
So we're here. We're brewing it over my prepper stove
577
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,760
because we have an electric stove in our house. I tried once making
578
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,640
Turkish coffee on our electric stove and it didn't work very well.
579
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,240
Anyways, we got out the prepper stove and we're going to see how this works.
580
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:22,800
It doesn't... the grate for the prepper stove is too big for this thing to rest on,
581
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,760
so poor Marcus has to hold it. So yeah, basically what you do is you just hold the
582
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:35,200
chesvay over the... or ibrick, depending on where you are, and you hold it over the stove.
583
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,040
Yeah, he told me he's like, there's going to be foam, there's going to be boiling.
584
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,080
Everybody gets a little bit of foam and he's like, you can either drink it black
585
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,960
or you can put sugar in it. Did you buy the sugar cube?
586
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,280
I did. He didn't say anything about ambergris?
587
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,800
He said no ambergris. Okay.
588
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:57,040
He said that's a protected item. He's like, whatever you do, don't add ambergris.
589
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,600
Okay, just sugar. Yeah. So when...
590
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,840
Sugar or black? When I made it with our friend,
591
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:10,080
she had a very small one. It was like an espresso shot size and you would drop a sugar cube into it.
592
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,640
Mmm. Some places when I was doing my research... So basically,
593
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,640
a sugar cube is like... everybody gets a sugar cube almost basically wherever you are.
594
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,800
Oh, shit guys, it's boiling. Oh, is it?
595
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,080
It's boiling a little bit. I want to see.
596
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,080
Oh, it is. It's foaming. Oh, this is exciting.
597
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,760
Oh, so Marcus, basically how I was taught to do this is when it foams up and it almost...
598
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,440
it'll overflow, you just take it off and then that's when you know it's done.
599
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,560
When it starts to almost overflow. Oh, okay.
600
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,240
I'm watching it. This is so exciting.
601
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:45,360
I know it's very exciting. I'm getting a little nervous.
602
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,040
Wait, wait, it's okay. All right.
603
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,480
No, it's good. Now you're done.
604
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,440
Oh, boy. Whatever you're doing,
605
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,080
I don't know if I like this. This is why you need 37 more people in the room.
606
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,120
No shit. You guys are not kidding.
607
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,360
For real. But I do like the way that this coffee looks.
608
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,520
It is a lighter roast. It's fucking powder.
609
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,040
So crazy how powdery it is. It smells good.
610
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,720
It does smell good. I do like the way it smells.
611
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,520
I eat it. It's interesting that it's so
612
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,880
dark in the cup, but that's just because it's so strong.
613
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,280
Yeah, it's very concentrated. It's almost like the same strength that
614
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,960
like our cold brew is, which is two times a normal cup of coffee.
615
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,920
Yeah, so basically you're thinking espresso here.
616
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Yeah. And typically you would
617
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,440
have sugar, you would have spices. I'm going to try it black first, but then
618
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,280
I'm definitely going to add some sugar because, you know, I want to do is the Turkish do.
619
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,360
Yeah. So questions about the way this is served. Is there not dairy in Turkey?
620
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,360
I mean, this seems like it would just, it's like perfect for cappuccino.
621
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,520
Yeah, it would lend itself to it, right? But apparently he said there's two ways
622
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,760
that you can drink this. Okay.
623
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,120
Black and with sugar. I mean, that's fine.
624
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:58,400
I'm just curious if there's like a reason why milk is not, like is dairy not a thing?
625
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,000
Right. Well, no, I think dairy is a thing
626
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,160
because you've got all sorts of delicious cheeses.
627
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,600
But like, how do you steam milk if you're just boiling it with a nebrik, right?
628
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,000
You probably are not serving it with steamed milk.
629
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,280
It says here Turkish coffee is traditionally made with water and
630
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,920
drunk without adding cream or milk. That's it.
631
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:21,920
Okay. It says you could, if you want, here's this idea. You could make it with milk instead of water.
632
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,440
So boil yourself some milk. So that's kind of an interesting, but it says right here,
633
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:33,840
putting this headline here says putting milk in Turkish coffee is completely fucking wrong.
634
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,520
You asshole. Okay. Okay.
635
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,520
I'm sorry, Wikipedia or whatever. That was roadsandkingdoms.com.
636
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,960
How do they feel about throwing whiskey in it?
637
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,680
Because I'm about to sack religion all over this Ramadan coffee.
638
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,120
That was my next question.
639
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:55,200
Well, I think the Muslim people would probably frown upon your consumption of alcohol, but I mean.
640
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,720
Three deep start in this episode.
641
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:03,920
I'm not, look, this is, this is like, this is not a halal coffee podcast.
642
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,640
Yeah.
643
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:10,640
I'm not going to tell you what to do with your life. I am like the Ottoman Empire. You do you.
644
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,200
I love it.
645
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,480
Don't let me interrupt.
646
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,400
I want to say like, it's the professional coffee reviewer drinker in me. Love this. This is good
647
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,120
coffee.
648
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:19,840
Did you taste it?
649
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:25,360
I did. So essentially like, ebrik is cowboy coffee. You boil a coffee in the water and then
650
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:31,360
you pour it when you're out camping, right? Simple way to brew coffee. This is a very
651
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,760
old school way of brewing coffee and it's delightful.
652
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,320
It's the oldest school way of brewing coffee.
653
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,920
It's like, this is what they did back. This is the first way to brew coffee.
654
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,040
I also want to talk like, okay, this is something also. So when I went with our friend to the Bosnian
655
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,960
store, they also like sugar cubes are a thing in all the places that used to be a part of the
656
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,000
Turkish, I mean the Ottoman Empire. They're just so fucking cool because they're not like your
657
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:04,960
typical like perfectly squared domino sugar cube. It's like weird edges, not necessarily uniform.
658
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,800
Look on the box. It says traditional.
659
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,960
I mean, they look hand chopped or something.
660
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,680
Yeah, exactly.
661
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,440
How do you have traditional sugar cubes? I don't know what that is.
662
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,720
It's old enough to fucking have a tradition.
663
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,520
I also just love the art on the box. I mean, I know this is Arabic writing on this mountain,
664
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,000
but it does make it look like a smiley face.
665
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:24,500
Aw.
666
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,640
It's like happy juice.
667
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,680
It's kosher too. So like, this is like a very inclusive sugar cube.
668
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,080
So there is some place where the Jews and the Muslims get along.
669
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,120
Probably a coffee shop.
670
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,680
In a coffee shop, bonding over sugar.
671
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,880
I think I added two sugar cubes and that was one too many.
672
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,120
It's such a tiny cup. These cups are adorable.
673
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,920
So I expected it to be bitter a little bit and I don't think it is at all.
674
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,440
For how concentrated it is?
675
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:57,940
Yeah.
676
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,480
Right.
677
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,880
It is a little sour, which is not surprising because it looks like such a light roast.
678
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:03,380
Yeah.
679
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:08,800
I do like it better with sugar. I like it. I like it, period. It's good.
680
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:14,000
I'm three quarters of the way through the cup and it's already like-
681
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:14,640
Getting gritty?
682
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,400
Gritty. Yeah. Yeah. Which I don't care for.
683
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,400
You're not supposed to drink it all the way down.
684
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:20,900
Right.
685
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:22,720
Once it starts getting gritty, you're supposed to stop.
686
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:29,440
But this is an awful, such a tiny cup and look how much is left that I can't drink.
687
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:29,940
Let me see.
688
01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:32,240
Well, it's very concentrated. Do you want to sleep tonight?
689
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,040
Well, I mean, I have a big exciting party to go to first.
690
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:40,000
I did read something about when you're trying to read the coffee grounds that a lot of times
691
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,600
people will just let the coffee, the liquid dry out and however the coffee dries inside
692
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,240
the mug or the cup, it's a way to-
693
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,760
You got to wait to read that for them.
694
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,600
We might have to read them in a couple of weeks.
695
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,000
I don't know how I'm going to fit alcohol into this.
696
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,840
It's just going to be like, I keep sipping it and there's not a lot left.
697
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,720
I'm going to need like a tiniest little splash of alcohol.
698
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Like a couple drops get an eyedropper.
699
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:05,700
Right.
700
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,240
We have a delightful new whiskey today too, but I don't need it.
701
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,320
I don't need it either. I feel like I don't, you know, I would drink this.
702
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,760
I see why it's popular.
703
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,260
Yeah.
704
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:20,080
Right. Like super easy to drink black with the sweetness in it.
705
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:27,120
It's sort of, it almost gives me like a maple syrupy, you know, kind of like flavor to it.
706
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,680
I really enjoy this.
707
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:30,320
I see why.
708
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,360
I really enjoy this. I see why it's popular.
709
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,000
It's really good.
710
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,160
I mean, it stood the test of time.
711
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,480
I mean, 500 years, it's still going strong.
712
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,280
So I just finished my cup.
713
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:46,960
Can you read my fortune?
714
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:47,460
Yes.
715
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:48,560
I'm going to spin it around for you.
716
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,840
Okay. Let me read your fortune.
717
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:50,720
Well, let's see here.
718
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:57,200
The bottom half is messages of your past and the top are messages regarding your future.
719
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,520
Let's start with your past.
720
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,440
What do I think this looks like?
721
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,400
Does it look like a thumb?
722
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,000
I want more. Is there any more in there?
723
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,360
Yeah, there is.
724
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,520
I'm going to say this bottom half looks kind of like a bird.
725
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,760
All right. Okay.
726
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,240
So in your past, you had good luck and maybe a good journey.
727
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,320
But it's all behind you now.
728
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,920
Yep. But it's all behind you now.
729
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,760
I fucking knew it. I fucking knew it.
730
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,800
Let's see here.
731
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,200
This top, what could this be?
732
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:29,700
Bridge?
733
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:31,840
This looks a little bit like a house or a bridge.
734
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:32,340
Yeah.
735
01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:32,840
There you go.
736
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:33,620
Let's see.
737
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,400
If we go on to go with house, it means you have business success in your future.
738
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,360
Definitely house.
739
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,800
In the next 40 days even.
740
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,440
40 days?
741
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,520
Yeah. Get ready.
742
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,120
Good thing this didn't look like a kettle.
743
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,200
That means death.
744
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,560
Oh, fuck. Yeah. No, I'm glad.
745
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,240
That did not look like that.
746
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,480
It could also be a bridge.
747
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,920
And if it's a bridge, that means you're about to have a good journey.
748
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:00,560
That's cool too.
749
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,060
Yeah.
750
01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:02,080
You know, I'm good with that.
751
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,440
A lot of journeying.
752
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,400
You're possibly a good journey, good luck in your past,
753
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,200
and a good journey and business success in your future.
754
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:09,600
Cool.
755
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,280
Hey, you got a good old mug here.
756
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:11,360
Thanks, Jenny.
757
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:12,720
I would say it's more like a house though,
758
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,720
because it definitely looks like a chimney here.
759
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:15,120
Yeah.
760
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,040
Yeah. You got like a chimney house thing going on.
761
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,320
So yeah, you're going to have some business.
762
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,240
You got some business success in your future.
763
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,480
Well, you know, that sounds like a great review.
764
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,480
Who's this coffee for, guys?
765
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,120
Wait, wait, wait.
766
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,800
Steph's got to get to hers.
767
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,400
Yeah, I want my fortune told.
768
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,040
All right.
769
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,040
It says, I'm having a real hard time here.
770
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,480
Well, what's going on in this?
771
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:37,840
Does hers look like a bat?
772
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,440
It kind of looks like an alien spaceship.
773
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:43,940
Ooh.
774
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,880
A saucer, a coffee saucer.
775
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,400
No, it's like a pyramid almost.
776
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,880
A pyramid has got to be good.
777
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,880
You are about to start selling essential oils.
778
01:07:59,200 --> 01:07:59,840
They have that?
779
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,520
Why don't we go with a pine tree?
780
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,360
I thought it was an Illuminati pyramid.
781
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,320
I didn't realize.
782
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,320
No, just a pyramid scheme.
783
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,080
Oh, a mountain, a mountain.
784
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:14,560
Oh, that's what it is.
785
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:14,800
Okay.
786
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:15,280
It's a mountain, for sure.
787
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,640
In your past, you had a powerful friend.
788
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,280
Like a fucking dwarf or something?
789
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,640
Like what the shit is that?
790
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,000
Gimli was your friend.
791
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,040
Once upon a time, you had-
792
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,560
You had a fucking ring to get rid of.
793
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,240
I'm racking my brain.
794
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,520
Who is your powerful friend?
795
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:32,000
You know what?
796
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,720
A friend from your past is going to come into power.
797
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:35,280
Oh.
798
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,320
It's going to be good for you.
799
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:37,440
The king under the mountain.
800
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:39,840
All right.
801
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,680
Let's see what's going on up top here.
802
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:42,320
A rainbow.
803
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,040
Am I gay?
804
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,160
Gandalf the White.
805
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,880
Am I going to be gay within the next 40 days?
806
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,360
I did not see that coming.
807
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:52,640
I mean-
808
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,960
You could be an ally in the next 40 days.
809
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:55,440
Finally.
810
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,440
I'm finally ready.
811
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,120
No, I think you should be gay.
812
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:01,920
That'll be fun.
813
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,420
Yeah.
814
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:03,540
Together.
815
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,360
Hey, Steph.
816
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:07,680
Let's see here.
817
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,520
I feel like it says a rainbow, but there is no-
818
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,040
Maybe horseshoe, arches.
819
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:14,880
McDonald's.
820
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,240
Right.
821
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,520
It's only a haystack.
822
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,240
Is that on here?
823
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,280
Oh, a horseshoe.
824
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,080
Okay, we'll do that.
825
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:22,560
Okay.
826
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,400
You and your successful choice of a partner are going on a lucky trip.
827
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:27,840
I'm very excited about that.
828
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:28,960
I can't wait to meet her.
829
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,400
Leaning more towards lesbian.
830
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:31,040
Yep.
831
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:31,840
Wow.
832
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,560
Yeah.
833
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,360
Look how much-
834
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:34,640
You've got so many grounds.
835
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,160
I didn't want to drink it because it's so late in the day.
836
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,760
I didn't want it to affect my sleeping.
837
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:41,680
Let's see here.
838
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:42,800
This looks like a-
839
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,880
If I see a person, what does that mean?
840
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:45,600
People.
841
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,360
The symbol of people means something good.
842
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,960
Something good's going to happen to me in the future.
843
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,360
These are three great fucking fortunes.
844
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,720
Yeah, thanks, Coffee Grounds.
845
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:53,220
Thanks.
846
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,280
So who's this coffee for?
847
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,880
I mean, I think it's for anybody who needs to know their future for the next 40 days
848
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:02,880
and their past.
849
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:09,280
It's for anyone who wants to go to a lot of trouble to brew it, is the thing.
850
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:15,040
I recommend it for flavor, but I'd say maybe find a restaurant that serves it.
851
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,080
Yeah, right.
852
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,920
It was a little messy.
853
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,360
It was a little difficult.
854
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,080
It was fun.
855
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,880
You probably have to-
856
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,680
There's got to be a learning curve because when we watched that Zalinsky show,
857
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:32,480
Servant of the People, they were brewing in a Chesvay, Ibrek, on their stove in Ukraine.
858
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:33,840
Yeah, like no big deal, right?
859
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:40,640
I think that this is for somebody who just has a love of tradition, maybe first-generation
860
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,720
immigrant from that part of the world.
861
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,400
I feel like they're already drinking it this way.
862
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,200
I definitely think this coffee is for the millions of people around the world
863
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,440
who drink it this way.
864
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,880
Good, keep it.
865
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:57,360
Yeah.
866
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:58,160
It's great.
867
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,040
Keep doing your thing.
868
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,000
It's delicious.
869
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,040
I think it's super cool.
870
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,000
It was really fun.
871
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,120
This was a great experience.
872
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,000
I really enjoyed it.
873
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,400
I thought it was cool to learn about the history of coffee too.
874
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,640
Yeah, and I'm super excited, Steph.
875
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,120
Did you know that for our Love It or Leave It that I also at the same store
876
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,160
bought an assortment of Turkish delights?
877
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:23,440
Ooh, do we have to sit in a wardrobe to eat the Turkish delight?
878
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:24,160
I do have-
879
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:29,120
Only if you want to become the slave of the snow queen or the white queen or whatever.
880
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,960
The white queen?
881
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:31,520
I don't.
882
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,360
I think it's the white queen.
883
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,400
Do you want to pledge allegiance to the white queen?
884
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,040
No.
885
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,040
Okay, then stay out of the wardrobe.
886
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,640
This is not a drug reference.
887
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,880
So Turkish delight from the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe.
888
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,640
Oh, yes, I've heard that book.
889
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:47,920
Of that book.
890
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,760
You've never read that book?
891
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,720
Not in its entirety.
892
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:51,920
Really good.
893
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,040
Me and Kaia, we were listening to it when she was doing cheerleading.
894
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,120
Just didn't like all the religious references.
895
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,480
Well, it's not really though.
896
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:04,160
You don't know that they're religious references, then it just reads like a silly fairy tale.
897
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:04,660
Yeah.
898
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:05,920
Actually, I looked into that.
899
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,760
For God gave his only begotten lion, you're all saved.
900
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,200
I actually looked into that some more and that's more of a rumor than a truth.
901
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:15,760
Just kidding.
902
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,720
Did you know that though?
903
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:23,040
That's like a really common misconception that it's not actually supposed to be a religious tale.
904
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,400
No, a lot of my friends were into that in like the middle school era.
905
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,000
It's like really popular.
906
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,680
And yeah, I think it was more into Mario around the same.
907
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,000
Like that was my media input.
908
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:34,500
But no.
909
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,560
So great.
910
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,520
Love this coffee.
911
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,000
Yeah, really good.
912
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:38,960
Highly recommend it.
913
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:48,240
And if you guys want to join us for the Turkish delights and all of your CS Lewis fandom,
914
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:50,880
come join us over on Patreon.
915
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,760
Yeah, on Patreon, we're going to start reviewing each book.
916
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,560
We're going to start having a book club, just the line, the witch and the wardrobe.
917
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,400
There's like seven of them that'll get us through.
918
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:07,120
So for the next 14 years, it's going to be like a Patreon sidebar.
919
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:07,620
Right.
920
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:08,420
Cool.
921
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,000
Thanks for the story, Jenny.
922
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:10,640
Really interesting.
923
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,140
Yeah.
924
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:11,640
It was fun.
925
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,400
History of coffee.
926
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:12,900
Yeah.
927
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:13,760
Yeah, it's good.
928
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:14,640
I love history.
929
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:16,020
Cool.
930
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,360
Well, is that our episode, guys?
931
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:18,820
Yeah.
932
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,280
Well, thank you for joining us.
933
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,080
Thanks, everybody.
934
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:32,080
Bye.
935
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,040
Bye.
936
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,640
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937
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,080
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938
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:12,400
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939
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